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From: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
To: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@bootlin.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:08:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACRpkdbJFZ+SkCY4QJwhbO+moyNpSVA1SjNozNxLdzHmBJQA1w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180913120811.oilaweiun3z4l5wo@flea>

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:08 PM Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@bootlin.com> wrote:

> If there's a very significant part of the work that is
> done by the maintainer of a given subsystem, and that there is a
> single maintainer for that subsystem, what will happen when that
> maintainer decides to stop contributing for some reason?
>
> All the knowledge they built, experience they got (including at
> reviewing) is gone, possibly forever, and there's no one to pick up
> the subsystem, and the code is left to rot.

Unfortunately this is what happened when David Brownell
passed away. His passing had a long-standing and serious
impact on the quality of the subsystems he helped creating.

GPIO was left unmaintained and patches were coming in
and merged by Andrew Morton, as is default (and it is a
good thing that we don't just stop merging code, that would
probably have been even worse). Most of it was fine.

However one piece that got merged at this turbulent time
was the GPIO sysfs ABI which in my opinion
was not very nice. The main problem was that it exposed
kernel internals (the global GPIO numberspace) to the whole
world and made them semi-ABI which is really tricky to
maintain in the long run. It probably didn't seem like a big
problem at the time and GPIO was seen as obscure. But
it has created a major maintenance headache, and I imagine
that an active maintainer would have come up with something
a bit different. I have moved that ABI to "obsolete" and try
to make the new character device ABI as tasty as possible
to encourage migration but it will have to be maintained
until there is noone left in the forest to hear the tree fall
when I cut it. I guess in 2045 or so.

There are other things that was David's ideas, such as highly
optimized bit-banging routines in SPI where it would have
been great to have his input. Those are less severe, but I
can't help to compare with the MMC/SD subsystem where at
one point last year I could reach out to the previous-to-previous
maintainer (Pierre Ossman) and ask why the subsystem had
a bounce buffer mechanism, which was really helpful because
he quickly provided the answer and we managed to fix it up
nicely (commit bd9b902798ab).

Yours,
Linus Walleij

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-14  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-10  8:59 Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 14:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:08   ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:38       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 15:47         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:55           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:13             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 16:24               ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 17:10                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:47         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 15:56           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:02             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:07           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:18             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:23               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:41                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 17:06                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 19:48             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:50               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:49         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-10 16:33         ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 19:59           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:30             ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 23:00               ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 23:16               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11  1:14                 ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 15:13     ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-10 15:20       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:31       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 20:15       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:09         ` Sean Paul
2018-09-10 21:38           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-11 10:06             ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-09-11  8:44         ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-11  9:08           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:01             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:09               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:30                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11  8:41       ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-10 15:31   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:39     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 17:10       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 18:59     ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 20:05       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 20:58         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13 11:27         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-13 11:41           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-13 17:08             ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13  2:56     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-13  5:17       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:56   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 20:32     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:55       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 21:33         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:44           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 12:44             ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 14:35               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 15:17                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 15:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 22:00                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 22:17                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-12  8:42                   ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-12 18:45                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 19:52                       ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-12 22:25                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12  9:14                 ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 18:23                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 18:44                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 12:08                       ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 12:57                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-13 13:18                           ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 14:25                           ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-13 20:05                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 23:02                               ` Rodrigo Vivi
2018-09-14  6:47                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-14  6:39                               ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-14 14:15                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-17  7:40                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-14  7:08                         ` Linus Walleij [this message]
2018-09-14  7:39                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-14  8:08                             ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 21:21                     ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-21 16:05                 ` Joe Perches
2018-09-12 22:44             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:56           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:11       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-10 23:05         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 11:43           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 12:03             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 13:04               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 13:10                 ` Julia Lawall
2018-09-17 13:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 13:48                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 13:58                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:50                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 15:21                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 16:50                       ` Joe Perches
2018-09-17 14:14                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 14:59                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 22:39                     ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-17 23:04                       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18  8:00                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-18 11:16                           ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 15:26                             ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-18 16:47                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 16:59                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:08                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:12                                   ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:31                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:42                                     ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:55                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 18:58                                         ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 19:24                                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:47                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 17:49                                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-18 18:03                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 22:46                                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-18 18:22                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 19:16                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-18 18:56                                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 23:05                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18  7:37                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2018-09-18  7:47                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 10:38                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 16:02                         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 16:32                           ` Luck, Tony
2018-09-18 16:35                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 17:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-18 17:28                                 ` Sean Paul
2018-09-18 17:37                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-21 16:46                                 ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-21 17:08                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-21 17:16                                     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-18 17:21                               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 21:01                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-18 23:16                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 23:54                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-09-19  5:27                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-19  9:46                               ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 17:10                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 20:48                             ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-18 16:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 17:24                             ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 19:22                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 19:30                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 19:38                                   ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-18 19:48                                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18  8:24                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-17 13:12             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:14               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 21:59               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-17 22:17                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 21:19       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-11  8:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 16:29   ` [Ksummit-discuss] Fwd: " Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 15:35   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jiri Kosina
2018-09-17 11:11   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Live without email - possible? - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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