From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096728AF for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBD652021B for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id o6so5074655oag.16 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 06:01:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1402526161.2523.79.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> References: <20140610201236.GA21729@laptop.dumpdata.com> <53976840.40306@zytor.com> <20140611175433.GA10462@roeck-us.net> <20140612075355.4b0d1f5a@canb.auug.org.au> <1402525074.2523.71.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> <1402526161.2523.79.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:01:16 +0200 Message-ID: From: Linus Walleij To: James Bottomley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Boris Ostrovsky , David Vrabel , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Topic: Removal of code that is still in use by users but there is a better code. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:36 AM, James Bottomley wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 15:26 -0700, Roland Dreier wrote: >> Every time a developer wants to change a core API, that developer >> needs to patch every driver that uses the API. Every old, unused, >> bitrotten driver we have in the tree is 100% wasted work, and often a >> substantial amount of work because it's really hard even to understand >> how those drivers are (mis)using the API being changed. > > Well how often do we do that? It's not like it's the most common > activity. Well I'm doing that right now in the GPIO subsystem where I'm refactoring all local irqchip implementations into the gpiolib. So I attack-patch all suitable refactoring targets, indeed. And sometimes the answer comes back "I don't have that hardware anymore, cannot test it", even from the person listed as maintainer. (drivers/gpio/gpio-adnp.c, drivers/pinctrl/spear/*) And then I get a strong urge to delete it, because a maintainer that can't maintain is not much of a maintainer... Yours, Linus Walleij