From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4060904 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.136]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2906275 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.kernel.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FD52024D for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ua0-f173.google.com (mail-ua0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 988862021A for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua0-f173.google.com with SMTP id m60so46690152uam.3 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:05:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160830173803.GG3950@sirena.org.uk> References: <20160826193331.GA29084@jra3> <87inunxf14.fsf@ebb.org> <20160827162655.GB27132@kroah.com> <87bn0dnc6f.fsf@ebb.org> <1472348609.2440.37.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20160828042454.GA8742@jeremy-acer> <20160828125542.7oejzcbpeozkrq3k@thunk.org> <20160829062638.GA12415@kroah.com> <20160830173803.GG3950@sirena.org.uk> From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:04:44 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mark Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: James Bottomley , "Bradley M. Kuhn" , Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Mark Brown wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 08:26:38AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 02:06:44PM -0000, David Woodhouse wrote: > >> > Even though I abhor what Patrick McHardy is doing, I still can't quite >> > find it in my heart to have *sympathy* for his victims. Because it's not >> > as if he's just taking random pot-shots at passers-by on the street. These >> > people defended their actions in court, and lost. > >> No, that's not what Patrick did. Whenever he actually took something to >> court, _he_ lost. Companies paid him off before then because they were >> scared for foolish reasons, or it was honestly just cheaper to do it >> than go to court and win. He took the traditional model of patent troll >> to the next level. > > Please bear in mind that public information on what's going on there is > very scarce, I suspect most people have only seen the SFLC statement at: SFLC != SFC. It will be hard, but try and look at why we have two orgs now. SFLC did do good -- it helped with the upstream openhal efforts and ath5k review. But the org that put out the review below and then published the Principles is SFC, not SFLC. > https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/jul/19/patrick-mchardy-gpl-enforcement/ > > (it seems from followups that there may be some confusion even in what > I've quoted above). Agreed, I think more has been revealed in this thread then in that article, sadly most is information learned so far is through the grape vine. Luis