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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Issues with stable process
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 18:43:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFyKq4wU9dx8EyrTtKkFEykF1GUqyonRjsx4f2jvZZxigg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVpM6q-K+zyh1_FShQBjrY6DoE8Aj4UeeT4q2FhOAn70A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>
> As of today, I'm much less convinced that -next is suitable for this
> purpose.  I have a really dumb, blatant, obvious regression sitting in
> -next right now, and it's been there for a couple of weeks with no one
> spotting it.  The 0-day bot didn't spot it either (and yes, I emailed
> Fengguang suggesting another test for the bot).

I think -next is supremely useful, but let's not kid ourselves: it's
useful because it catches compile problems (particularly on odd
architectures) and integration issues.

Very few people actually *run* linux-next. At best, it gets some
boot-testing on a farm or two. Maybe one or two brave souls actually
run it on their own machines (I think Andrew may, for example). But
that's it.

I suspect that (possibly with the exception of the merge window)
keeping bugfixes in -next for a few days is more likely to *delay*
testing than it is to make it better. I suspect a lot more people run
my -git trees than run -next.

So I don't think -next is a panacea for testing. Not at all. It is
very good for what it does, but I don't think people should believe
that "testing" is what it does.

                  Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-16  1:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-11 16:12 Sasha Levin
2015-07-12 10:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 13:32   ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-13  0:52     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-13  3:32       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-13  4:27       ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-13  5:10         ` NeilBrown
2015-07-13 22:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-13 18:21         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-13 18:51           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-15 14:52             ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-15 15:59               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-15 16:03               ` Greg KH
2015-07-15 16:15                 ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-15 16:40                   ` Greg KH
2015-07-15 19:34                     ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-15 21:21                     ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-15 22:34                       ` Greg KH
2015-07-15 22:40                         ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-16  3:36                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-17  0:52                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-16  9:06                   ` Zefan Li
2015-07-16 18:14                 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-14  0:42           ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14  1:02             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-14  2:00               ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14  2:28               ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-14  3:48                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2015-07-14  7:14                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-14 11:03                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-14 13:29                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-14 20:17                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-14 20:45                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14 22:12                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-14 22:36                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-01  8:44                   ` Jani Nikula
2015-09-01 20:52                     ` Greg KH
2015-09-01 21:00                       ` Sasha Levin
2015-09-01 21:08                         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-09-01 22:47                           ` Sasha Levin
2015-09-02 10:10                         ` Luis Henriques
2015-07-16  0:53                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-16 11:50                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14  3:42               ` Stephen Rothwell
2015-07-14  7:03               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-14 10:46               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14 13:57                 ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14 15:25                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14 15:32                     ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14 15:38                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-14 15:53                         ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14 16:02                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-14 19:30                             ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14 19:38                               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-15  1:49                               ` NeilBrown
2015-07-15  2:09                                 ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-15  2:28                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-07-15 10:13                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-15 23:24                                       ` NeilBrown
2015-07-16  1:05                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  1:43                                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2015-07-16  1:25                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16  9:19                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 12:33                                             ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-08-03  8:32                                             ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-14 15:56                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14 19:01                         ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14 19:18                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-14 19:31                             ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-15  9:26                               ` Jan Kara
2015-07-16 12:53                           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-13  9:22       ` Jan Kara
2015-07-13 20:51       ` Greg KH
2015-07-14  0:51         ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14  2:46         ` NeilBrown
2015-07-15 19:41         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-15 20:14           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 15:01 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2015-07-13 10:15 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-13 16:12   ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-14 10:08     ` Zefan Li
2015-07-14 14:00       ` Sasha Levin
2015-07-15  0:01         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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