From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08C80C7D for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 21:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-f66.google.com (mail-it0-f66.google.com [209.85.214.66]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABFB07DF for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 21:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f66.google.com with SMTP id u13-v6so17249810iti.1 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:41:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1536263073.6012.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1536267088.6012.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1536268421.6012.9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> In-Reply-To: <1536268421.6012.9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:41:04 -0700 Message-ID: To: James Bottomley Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Cc: ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER TOPIC] Succession Planning: Is It time to Throw Linus Under a Bus? List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 2:13 PM James Bottomley wrote: > > However, I really think for an orderly succession plan, you need to be > part of it rather than having a palace coup which could end up being > really messy and divisive. I suspect people treated your proposal last > year as more of a joke last year because they didn't think you were > serious. If you're really serious about doing this, let's try to come > up with the succession process in Edinburgh in October and see if we > can run a Maintainer Summit with the new Leadership in Vancouver in > November. So I do want to make it clear that it's not like I am all that serious about it, because I'm perfectly happy to continue to do what I've been doing for the past almost three decades. It's not like *I* care about the bus scenario, pretty much by definition. Honestly, I think the real issue is when *others* have serious and practical proposals. In many ways I think that is the real issue: people who feel like there would be advantages to new models. The advantages could range from just the "I'd really prefer to work with somebody else" to more of a "look, Linus isn't getting any younger, so to make for a smooth transition we should start moving towards xyz, because then in years we'll be ready". Regardless, I don't think _my_ opinions matter all that much on this, and I honestly think some people might be more willing to speak their mind without me in the room. And guys, it's not like my ego is all that fragile. I think people do know that. So the only thing I *do* want to be serious about is that if people actually come up with something that they honestly agree is better, you don't need to worry about me throwing some hissy-fit, and "take my ball and go home". That said, I think we all might have some very real doubts about how practical it's going to be, and getting people to actually agree on anything. What I do *not* want to see is some random flailing discussion while we're all in the same room. Because I can think of more productive things to do in Edinburgh, and most of them involve drinking. So I think people should have some real suggestions before-hand, not some "let's leave it to an open discussion for the summit itself". Linus