From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from premium237-5.web-hosting.com (premium237-5.web-hosting.com [66.29.146.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F5F75A7C; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 17:37:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sladewatkins.net; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=szezkDrZv/DIxoNhXmXzm3IHUZyWzUBX9UZD4NvKIjU=; b=PhVGZ1A5LidZWBPURz5QMuk8dH /sGHgHnqd4P/H8S06hrK2f/1js8wLash+/09h5YDpdVvbR/51/FjJYW54Lh+xYiHWkiB/9YpXTDH4 36MEFHtlDoTmmoBCj3umIjPcKI7y+OrWou3fAqwobXdzoNc6VS4wQ7gI33GW3mVhPf5tIe/TvQc/p DrSqXvC5cupJ6nQpIHQLn/JCzhqfZ/qd5bMX0FouirafFbs7y7s6elSf5Fr0XOHOEeqlm96HhZ65p 6SZRghEaeTk34ERWtAvg2r87rgpdbI9YixTcKpAMNPn2TlFx7xe4E4T0WCFVD6yHWi2lZ7eUILans oNzy4i8g==; Received: from pool-108-4-135-94.albyny.fios.verizon.net ([108.4.135.94]:61749 helo=smtpclient.apple) by premium237.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJwb-008x9c-FO; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:37:01 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" From: Slade Watkins In-Reply-To: <3cfaef48-744f-000f-1be5-6f96d64dea24@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:36:57 -0400 Cc: "Bird, Tim" , Laurent Pinchart , Thorsten Leemhuis , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "workflows@vger.kernel.org" , LKML , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <93a37d72-9a88-2eec-5125-9db3d67f5b65@gmx.com> <20220929130410.hxtmwmoogzkwcey7@meerkat.local> <7b427b41-9446-063d-3161-e43eb2e353f9@gmx.com> <20220929135325.4riz4ijva2vc7q5p@meerkat.local> <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> <3cfaef48-744f-000f-1be5-6f96d64dea24@gmx.com> To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - premium237.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.linux.dev X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sladewatkins.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: premium237.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: srw@sladewatkins.net X-Authenticated-Sender: premium237.web-hosting.com: srw@sladewatkins.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Artem, all, > On Sep 30, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > Debian uses an email based bug tracker and you know what? Most people > avoid it like a plague. It's a hell on earth to use. Ubunutu's = Launchpad > which looks and feels like Bugzilla is a hundred times more popular. Yeah, Ubuntu=E2=80=99s Launchpad instance is definitely easier to = navigate than Bugzilla and has more info at a glance (when looking at = individual bug reports.) Do I necessarily think they look and feel the = same? Nah. But, hey, it=E2=80=99s all subjective so it=E2=80=99s cool! Ultimately I=E2=80=99m conflicted here (even my own opinions have = already changed twice since I jumped in on the discussion.) Some say = email is terrible, others say it=E2=80=99s the way they want to do it. = Because that=E2=80=99s all subjective: that was bound to happen, of = course. My take is that if the goal is to please *everyone*, we=E2=80=99re= not going to get anywhere.=20 Email =E2=80=94 imo =E2=80=94 is good for discussions, but not for = reporting bugs. Web has upsides of being easier to navigate (sometimes = faster) with just a few clicks/keyboard shortcuts and some words to = describe an issue, steps to reproduce, kernel versions it affects, etc. But no matter what system (email, web, etc.) you use =E2=80=94 there = will always be things that gets lost, whether that=E2=80=99s because = someone didn=E2=80=99t see something and/or it got buried by something = else more urgent. Sadly, that's just going to happen, and the best thing = to do is improve it so that it=E2=80=99s _less likely_ to do so. -srw