From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8542733EB0D for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2025 16:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1757606553; cv=none; b=iIHoSKT1+U9K7FwfS/Q22PnneMPOeNAyN38f9cH4ctxRQ3JS0qBSLxfHMNabB8aTEDrq5zNmMkgCX/Na3VeKEfr52WYMg3LZWMcPqt74WvZwZleUBeLrX71ay9InGRUwifnmC0cJbJI7n3IZVDoJ2uM3Mq1Y7lliPhdzGt45Gh0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1757606553; c=relaxed/simple; bh=0ghPo9OMP2qbFZpKK1zX+G8g+LTdT93GxbFrFFdRwZo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=X2kLR7CEJyP1yuq2YIyZvNB4uKWoIsJ8Yqbzw6/UprfLt1S5UT8FIGkn+OSoIaLvJIIkjSHYVN0yWDAXh5PxRR3ZuqNKM9eYNkvL2sRyrSUmlf4LxraVn80DljuRBX+yZ9G80q1FcW3+gVRz6FogQGIu4AYpBhClAAiTXDUwQBQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=QbDKMUnk; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="QbDKMUnk" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE76EC4CEF0; Thu, 11 Sep 2025 16:02:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1757606553; bh=0ghPo9OMP2qbFZpKK1zX+G8g+LTdT93GxbFrFFdRwZo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=QbDKMUnkXAeQlhNuhkZciyX40Djl06Y6iPThqii8XUdfXUb9MLqVJTUdS28KPsNiz NFNoOSbsBaI0JpJ4sEsrGyCOsPw1X1wy1FlZG5LtJyAoUabZ7P5p/BhJ0xkIbiH2eD fq7Z1mqKp/y1elnI35tBxoiHB8eqFof0zKQC2b1DfQyBbpWjqiudm/nNbfmGCGxu/r 4AOUtW+r3bLxViB3Tat+iXTGUT0UlkCjgHGBW6o95tq0xPop2bNvjAA0LVi1/f4fuZ /Gga9ke7yjchO5+IL7VwQMSIE5tmq6pvWXZB0nnAPxSt3BurIUAlkiLXXsjPsh8xR4 2g+p5m0xAtAbg== Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 17:02:28 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: James Bottomley Cc: Jiri Kosina , Krzysztof Kozlowski , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Hidden commits from next (aka why maintainers hoard them in backpack) Message-ID: <9c77a331-40d4-41e5-96f1-5ce175fdcd1f@sirena.org.uk> References: <299e6601-a83e-4e5d-9dd9-12ae796cd913@kernel.org> <81n4979o-0969-q3o1-6n66-979668n0on47@xreary.bet> <6cf04d69-d4a2-47ef-b5b0-b9880068eca4@sirena.org.uk> <0ab33a4c5bac6cd3a052c62b76e759203a7e285a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9iuYXMN57s1eCrBw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0ab33a4c5bac6cd3a052c62b76e759203a7e285a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> X-Cookie: Your domestic life may be harmonious. --9iuYXMN57s1eCrBw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 11:32:10AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > On Thu, 2025-09-11 at 14:49 +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 09:18:05AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > > One pattern you see with trees that do this is that some bug is found > > in -next, the bug is fixed and the patch applied but if the patch is > > applied to a tree that isn't in -next you still see the bug in -next > > until the pull request to the upstream tree goes through.=A0 Any > > incubation that the subtree does before sending their pull request, > > or delay in taking the pull request from the subtree, shows up in > > additional time that the bug is visible in -next. > In theory a fix to a pulled commit, whether separate or rebased, should > be treated like a bug fix and go up with speed, so is this simply a > missing rule (or encouragement) for a tree not in -next? Partly, yes, but the bug isn't always directly in the tree where the fix is going so it can be a bit less clear and sometimes the delay is on the pull side (eg, due to holidays or whatever). It's a lot simpler to just put the tree in -next. --9iuYXMN57s1eCrBw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAmjC8pMACgkQJNaLcl1U h9CY9Af/QvYkUQIxii7K1v8Rx3yHNjNex4a6GQiEawDJDg8YLIo9YePRX1qMxOiQ +kdSGlFi530AUsVkD0qOxxkgPXm/GkXqlfREO/cjy080Hr9lPcbnbY7SRFH5eo3J OjFRyWTgbTE3EDt4Jx1xU4oa8zBxMblSQH7nVB36t4ghs6Erwv8kd9+j7kOUkmWC GrZG16ZAcYWbrYAgqehslpJ2HEVGeTOaKlL8t7eFlg++9CDrxmDRniT8KGOSa6Yi zdNaqDqRvKExhP9tHJRw5DWa19XBNxJtjqDdDo13y7TvWbyIph3w3XnYjydzGJkk 3xS7FCxYO7I4pZ3G/6WtHOVHEWMF1Q== =8vkK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9iuYXMN57s1eCrBw--