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wrote: > > > However the point is that we can: > > > - Generate scenarios relatively quickly that way. > > - Resulatant mistakes are at least _less_ impactful. And you'd hope, would come > > out in the wash more easily. > > > However, I wonder whether it might be better simply to restrict LLMs to test > > data generation or the like. > > Yeah, test data seems much safer than test code since it's much more > constrained. I'm definitely not 100% against trying things with code, > I'm more worried about people throwing something out there without > really looking at it properly since it's just test code. With the > scenario generation for example the question is always if we'd be > happier with the test program being a scenario generator - sometimes the > answer is no (eg, because it's too expensive to run and you really need > to pick scenarios), sometimes the answer is yes even though the > resulting test program is more involved. And equally, those reviewing test code such as yourself are a finite resource, and a sudden onset of patches that might result is a consideration also. > > > These are again all exactly the kinds of things that make this an important > > topic to discuss I believe :) > > Indeed, and I'm going to guess that it's going to be as much about > establishing taste as firm rules. Absolutely agree :) Cheers, Lorenzo