From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
Ricardo Ribalda Delgado <ricardo.ribalda@gmail.com>
Cc: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
jgg@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Device Passthrough Considered Harmful?
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 12:01:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8d83a9a69c10bab0e4e39994c58c290f6dc5586b.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240726131110.GD28621@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>
On Fri, 2024-07-26 at 16:11 +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 10:02:27AM +0200, Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
> wrote:
[...]
> > Describing how they implement those algorithms is a patent
> > minefield and their differentiating factor.
Just on this argument: The Patent Shield around Linux provided by OIN
is pretty strong and allows us (and entities that contribute to Linux)
to ignore most patent problems because someone else is looking out for
them. OIN is actually free to join if any company would like to
benefit directly from the Linux Patent Shield:
https://openinventionnetwork.com/about-us/member-benefits/
> Those are also arguments I've heard many times before. The
> differentiating factor for cameras today is mostly in userspace ISP
> control algorithms, and nobody is telling vendors they need to open
> all that.
>
> When it comes to patents, we all know how software patents is a
> minefield, and hardware is also affected. I can't have much sympathy
> for this argument though, those patents mostly benefit the largest
> players in the market, and those are the ones who currently claim
> they can't open anything due to patents.
In order to get a patent, the claimed invention has to be made public,
so if they hold the patent there should be no problem. If there is a
problem opening something because it infringes on someone else's patent
and they might see it, then OIN, above, is usually a good answer if the
patent is owned by another ecosystem contributor or an OIN signatory.
For patent contortia (like MPEG) and patent trolls, it's more
problematic, but, again, OIN can provide help.
Regards,
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-26 16:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-08 22:26 Dan Williams
2024-07-09 6:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-09 19:43 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-10 13:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-21 18:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 13:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-09 10:01 ` Greg KH
2024-07-09 12:25 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-09 12:33 ` Greg KH
2024-07-09 12:47 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-11 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-09 20:09 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-09 16:02 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-09 22:15 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-10 13:22 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 11:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 15:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 17:01 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 17:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 16:36 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-12 10:37 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-21 19:25 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 7:31 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 8:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 10:44 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 11:10 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 13:28 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 14:13 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 14:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-22 10:42 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-22 11:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 11:56 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 20:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 8:04 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 10:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:40 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 17:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29 9:58 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 10:31 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-31 11:54 ` Sakari Ailus
2024-07-31 13:15 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-02 15:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-13 10:17 ` Tomasz Figa
2024-08-13 10:26 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-13 10:33 ` Tomasz Figa
2024-08-13 10:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-11 13:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 15:16 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-11 16:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-23 11:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2024-07-23 11:36 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-23 23:22 ` Jiri Kosina
2024-07-24 20:12 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-24 20:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-24 20:37 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-24 21:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-25 19:31 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 19:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-25 20:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 23:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26 8:04 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 12:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 13:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26 14:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:43 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 15:25 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29 9:57 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 14:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26 8:03 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 13:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:44 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 17:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 16:49 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-28 16:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 17:33 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-07-29 14:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-25 9:26 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 10:51 ` Wolfram Sang
2024-07-25 12:23 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 13:02 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 13:20 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 13:29 ` Mark Brown
2024-07-25 14:18 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 14:22 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-25 17:37 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-26 13:58 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-25 19:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 8:02 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 13:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:40 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 11:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29 9:56 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 10:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 16:01 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2024-07-26 17:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 13:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-26 14:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-28 16:03 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-27 0:16 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-28 11:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-28 15:16 ` Greg KH
2024-07-28 15:34 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-28 15:49 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-29 6:10 ` Greg KH
2024-07-31 12:33 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-31 12:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-01 14:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-07 0:06 ` Dan Williams
2024-08-07 0:13 ` James Bottomley
2024-08-16 11:12 ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-07-29 14:56 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-07-29 15:16 ` Greg KH
2024-07-29 15:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 12:45 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-29 13:38 ` Borislav Petkov
2024-07-29 14:29 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-29 14:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-30 13:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2024-08-01 14:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 15:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 22:37 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-30 7:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-01 14:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-06 7:14 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-06 13:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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