From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [96.44.175.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6482627702; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="BAs0buXD"; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="BAs0buXD" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1698257225; bh=htJUqS8npibsh8tYnChA9JGl/FAKweYbHWEHf7fhlNA=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=BAs0buXD6niGIUBTcvnjviKHNg+lhYsCtEuQwQ7agchXOTPCbgUHoKTU7bTwpXQ93 AbqXC2L1r7K/I8BNzoPjAT7H8ij3A283DygswnF1XeRqdYpYu1QY5waKlUCiHiwDTl d2+zICaW1KqRvlU9jAVOe2MjXsdlfLp2ulfX8cYk= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5417A1281C07; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzz80QL84BLY; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:07:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1698257225; bh=htJUqS8npibsh8tYnChA9JGl/FAKweYbHWEHf7fhlNA=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=BAs0buXD6niGIUBTcvnjviKHNg+lhYsCtEuQwQ7agchXOTPCbgUHoKTU7bTwpXQ93 AbqXC2L1r7K/I8BNzoPjAT7H8ij3A283DygswnF1XeRqdYpYu1QY5waKlUCiHiwDTl d2+zICaW1KqRvlU9jAVOe2MjXsdlfLp2ulfX8cYk= Received: from lingrow.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:5c4:4302:c21::c14]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61A5B128105C; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <893b8cc27684a03865dbf9517a4cbf1bd132950a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: KTODO automated TODO lists From: James Bottomley To: Jani Nikula , NeilBrown , Krzysztof Kozlowski Cc: Andrew Morton , Dan Carpenter , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, outreachy@lists.linux.dev, kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:07:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87fs1y8xkl.fsf@intel.com> References: <369bc919-1a1d-4f37-9cc9-742a86a41282@kadam.mountain> <20231023114949.34fc967988c354547f79c4e7@linux-foundation.org> <8ca50d4c-3c96-4efa-a111-fca04d580ab5@kernel.org> <169818295461.20306.14022136719064683486@noble.neil.brown.name> <53c584c21f273548004a7ddb5aa4c04ec7bca1c5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <87fs1y8xkl.fsf@intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.42.4 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 19:40 +0300, Jani Nikula wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023, James Bottomley > wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 08:29 +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > Here we all are, brilliantly talented computer programmers who > > > spend our days making amazing fast digital devices do amazingly > > > clever and subtle things, inventing time-saving tools and > > > processing vast amounts of data without blinking, but for some > > > reason we think the task of skipping over a few thousand lines > > > that all start with '>"s too hard for us and that we should, in > > > stead, complain to some other human to convince them to make our > > > life easier for us. > > > > > > Does anyone else see the irony? > > > > So if I'm a brilliantly talented driver, it's OK for other people > > to drive on the wrong side of the road because I should be able to > > avoid them? > > Nah, we're all brilliant car manufacturers that could have our cars > deal with the situation. ;) > > The notmuch emacs interface has collapsed citations since at least > 2010. I think Neil's point is, if we're all using open source MUAs, > why don't we scratch that particular itch and move on, instead of > getting frustrated by it year after year? Because some MUAs don't have it. Others are a bit aggressive, meaning you have to turn it off anyway if you want to see what's in more than a couple of lines of a quote (it only takes me a couple of emails to get incredibly annoyed with the way gmail does it, for instance, since it never seems to leave enough useful context). James