From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65B54412 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 16:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mga11.intel.com (mga11.intel.com [192.55.52.93]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 088437FF for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 16:50:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Jani Nikula To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Frank Rowand In-Reply-To: <20181111055728.GC12818@thunk.org> References: <1541721842.3774.2.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <35402D8E-0294-4E34-BE8B-22BCBC20BF66@fb.com> <0F1E6845-9F6D-46E2-BB52-8B0C2D8103C6@fb.com> <3b861369-0fc0-c746-4b1b-047ce903cc30@gmail.com> <20181111055728.GC12818@thunk.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:49:58 +0200 Message-ID: <87r2fogbwp.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: James Bottomley , Tech Board Discuss , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] TAB non-nomination List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" wrote: > "Community" is a very slippery term. I will note that there were > *many* people who were participating on the threads, sometimes in very > non-constructive or in a downright toxic fashion, who had zero commits > in recent years. In some cases, it was zero commits, *ever*. I > recall doing the research on one prolific author and found that while > he did contribute the kernel, it was 3 or 4 commits... ~5 years > ago... to a driver. > > And then there was one person who admitted that while he was just a > user, he insisted he had a right to weigh in the issue. They > certainly have the right to have that belief, of course. Whether or > not maintainers are obliged to cater to people with those beliefs is a > very different question, however. > > There seems to be an assumption that a open, public discussion will > always give you the best review. I don't think that's necessarily > true. It can often give you a very biased sample from the poeple who > are most stridently on one side of the debate or the other, as well as > being biased towards those who believe in the "last post wins" style > of debate, since they end up speaking most loudly and posting most > frequently and most aggressively. I think it's interesting to note that ksummit-discuss seemed to be a much more fruitful list for discussion than LKML in this matter. Would we benefit from a non-technical mailing list to accompany LKML? Something less "seasonal" than ksummit-discuss. Could also restrict posting to subscribers only, with public archives, and limit subscribers to, say, people in MAINTAINERS and/or some (fairly low) number of required commits in the past years. I presume ksummit-discuss had fairly good signal-to-noise because it's not well known or publicized. BR, Jani. -- Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center