From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E1E42FB4 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 15:42:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1622216572; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=sC/4mqGVwjGmarPwyWnSGWMjis6RsnduR1OTuOfsgPQ=; b=fNck41KMsnfRon9k5u2SYW5M+8HovxeN6A94+qedbZ2JoVyaxV0u209EdJ3Iex41R37ru2 NoyiTCQWW3eNXs+UHfQB1TR/fQ03WKVOxqES4gXJVRxdG+FSysPpvlOaYM7LS+kurX229E YOwu7wVhk9IORWSm8YcbkNXFGeXyKD8= Received: from mail-ej1-f70.google.com (mail-ej1-f70.google.com [209.85.218.70]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-550-V8XzVUFwM7CLqjjKYWZGww-1; Fri, 28 May 2021 11:42:50 -0400 X-MC-Unique: V8XzVUFwM7CLqjjKYWZGww-1 Received: by mail-ej1-f70.google.com with SMTP id h18-20020a1709063992b02903d59b32b039so1280301eje.12 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:42:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=sC/4mqGVwjGmarPwyWnSGWMjis6RsnduR1OTuOfsgPQ=; b=OeOMXmqM+7RXvtIrm9bDb/xtaeX962NMLdyGWIIx3kiEBJY/tpD9PmDzLcOrOZit1D oB4q8Byga1gngkpmDIIqK3nc/6YymsBdImOshgFVLpOz+pvajT/VPjG3cl7zOTLHy28T CH3qstSYdxOaOYTLFNy3HJzEqol5zkJKsaojJcVVOmSrilBXyCJNotGCqSDb6Hlftxnu 1uGSOkdmLxVXtqJP+LSHuWhXjJs7JNB2pHywO4dnlcPoURzhB/VFgjVxbQUQjxpEGO9Y tO3fZ7sVc1YKxRA7EKZbJKcFrfy/QOw5P/eDyA1RhHsPx0+/AvjWsQReKbjwY0tgQJkU NsRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532iSYPga2/6uZom/k85jHbliD44m/KUzbIz13N7CLbSvgqZbhpz 5dJDcYJUxH0man5egojcyLnw3pxs/ukULZvAjZPa3MwFLhBRI2wss6lh3p/H8rkQaHbw74m89/k nz3InYhKdlV2+EuhstA== X-Received: by 2002:a50:d589:: with SMTP id v9mr10813394edi.126.1622216569044; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:42:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxyh7puphKWIHAhTU3NrGDcpIPKc1l/cTOKXvbBu9zHj9YOh1870e+pFMIR14K/Zqb2VV4uAA== X-Received: by 2002:a50:d589:: with SMTP id v9mr10813361edi.126.1622216568644; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alrua-x1.borgediget.toke.dk ([2a0c:4d80:42:443::2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v24sm2839644eds.19.2021.05.28.08.42.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 28 May 2021 08:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by alrua-x1.borgediget.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86A4A180720; Fri, 28 May 2021 17:42:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Matthew Wilcox , James Bottomley Cc: Greg KH , Christoph Lameter , Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off In-Reply-To: References: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 17:42:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87im32g8zs.fsf@toke.dk> X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=toke@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain Matthew Wilcox writes: > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:58:10AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: >> On Thu, 2021-05-27 at 15:29 +0200, Greg KH wrote: >> > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Christoph Lameter wrote: >> > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >> > > >> > > > I know we're all really hungry for some in-person meetups and >> > > > discussions, but at least for LPC, Kernel Summit, and >> > > > Maintainer's Summit, we're going to have to wait for another >> > > > year, >> > > >> > > Well now that we are vaccinated: Can we still change it? >> > > >> > >> > Speak for yourself, remember that Europe and other parts of the world >> > are not as "flush" with vaccines as the US currently is :( >> >> The rollout is accelerating in Europe. At least in Germany, I know >> people younger than me are already vaccinated. I think by the end of >> September the situation will be better ... especially if the EU and US >> agree on this air bridge (and the US actually agrees to let EU people >> in). >> >> One of the things Plumbers is thinking of is having a meetup at what >> was OSS EU but which is now in Seattle. The Maintainer's summit could >> do the same thing. We couldn't actually hold Plumbers in Seattle >> because the hotels still had masks and distancing requirements for >> events that effectively precluded the collaborative aspects of >> microconferences, but evening events will be governed by local >> protocols, rather than the Hotel, which are already more relaxed. > > Umm. Let's remember that the vaccines are 33-93% effective [1], > which means that there's approximately a 100% certainty that at least > one person arriving at the event from a trans-atlantic flight has been > exposed to someone who has the virus. I'm not convinced that holding a > "more relaxed protocol" event is a great idea. Not to mention the fact that this would exclude everyone from parts of the world that do not have a high vaccine coverage or a cosy "air bridge" type relationship with the US (whatever that means); aren't we supposed to be an international community? :/ -Toke