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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
Cc: ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@sandisk.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] "Maintainer summit" invitation discussion
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 12:06:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h91arzic.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1493217836.2526.10.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> Agreed, but I think you'll find most maintainers have a "trust factor"
> for reviewers.  Perhaps we should discuss how we arrive at this and how
> we should make it more public.  The way I often deal with less trusted
> reviewers is to redo their review and point out all the things they
> missed and ask them not to come back until they can be more thorough.

I think that's also a bit harsh, because I think the only way to become
a better reviewer is to... review. I know it's hard to balance being
welcoming to new reviewers and ensuring the patches do get proper review
in the end.

Certainly one thing that increases my trust in a review is the amount of
review comments on the patch, even if there's a Reviewed-by at the
end. Basically any hints that the reviewer has actually thought about
the changes.

On a related note, as maintainers I think we need to put more attention
to recording the review credits in the commits. It's not unusual for
review to be more work than writing the patch. The patch authors may be
new contributors, or just looking at their specific use case, but the
reviewer should look at the big picture. I think Jon will start tracking
reviews more regularly, like he did for v4.11 stats [1], but obviously
the stats are only as good as the input.


BR,
Jani.


[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/720336/


-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Technology Center

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-27  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-18 18:59 Linus Torvalds
2017-04-18 19:50 ` Takashi Iwai
2017-04-18 20:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-18 20:21     ` Jiri Kosina
2017-04-18 20:36       ` Takashi Iwai
2017-04-18 20:29     ` Takashi Iwai
2017-04-18 20:33     ` Laura Abbott
2017-04-18 21:15     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-04-19 22:36       ` Jonathan Corbet
2017-04-19 22:41         ` Jiri Kosina
2017-04-19 23:36           ` Josh Triplett
2017-04-19 23:51             ` Jiri Kosina
2017-04-20  1:04               ` Josh Triplett
2017-04-20  7:38                 ` Jani Nikula
2017-04-20  5:23           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-04-20 13:33             ` James Bottomley
2017-04-20 14:40               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2017-04-20 14:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-20 14:47               ` Jonathan Corbet
2017-04-20 15:34                 ` James Bottomley
2017-04-20 11:25         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-04-19 15:37     ` Doug Ledford
2017-04-19 16:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-19 16:24         ` Doug Ledford
2017-04-19 18:11         ` Justin Forbes
2017-04-19 21:52           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-19 18:21         ` Laura Abbott
2017-04-20  8:31           ` Jani Nikula
2017-04-20 12:35             ` Mark Brown
2017-04-20 13:01               ` Jani Nikula
2017-04-21  8:41             ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-04-21 14:46               ` David Miller
2017-04-20  8:17         ` Jani Nikula
2017-04-20 10:59           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-04-20 12:22             ` Jani Nikula
2017-04-20 13:03               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-04-20 14:49             ` Mark Brown
2017-04-19 19:25     ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-04-19 19:40       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-19 19:45         ` Jens Axboe
2017-04-19 19:50         ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-04-19 19:55           ` James Bottomley
2017-04-20  8:26             ` Daniel Vetter
2017-04-20 13:25               ` James Bottomley
2017-04-25 16:02             ` Bart Van Assche
2017-04-25 16:38               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-25 16:56               ` Mark Brown
2017-04-26  3:47                 ` Bart Van Assche
2017-04-26  8:39                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-26 14:21                   ` Mark Brown
2017-04-26 14:51                     ` David Miller
2017-04-26 15:15                       ` Mark Brown
2017-04-26  8:42               ` Dan Carpenter
2017-04-26 13:58                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-04-26 14:15                   ` Andrew Lunn
2017-04-26 15:42                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-04-26 14:31                   ` James Bottomley
2017-04-26 14:34                     ` Jiri Kosina
2017-04-26 14:43                       ` James Bottomley
2017-04-27  9:06                         ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2017-04-27 10:41                           ` Lee Jones
2017-04-27 11:02                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2017-04-27 14:17                               ` James Bottomley
2017-04-28  0:24                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-04-27 15:40                           ` Wolfram Sang
2017-04-26 15:02                 ` Bart Van Assche
2017-04-26 15:25                   ` James Bottomley
2017-04-26 15:36                     ` Mark Brown
2017-04-19 20:14           ` Josh Triplett
2017-04-19 21:30             ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-04-20  5:44             ` Julia Lawall
2017-04-20  8:54               ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-04-19 19:58         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2017-04-19 20:20         ` Jiri Kosina
2017-04-18 20:00 ` Dave Airlie
2017-04-18 20:29   ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-04-18 20:38   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-04-18 20:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-18 21:39       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-04-20 19:02         ` Mark Brown
2017-04-18 20:06 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-04-18 20:11 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-04-18 20:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-25 15:09     ` Chris Mason
2017-04-19  0:22 ` Stephen Rothwell
2017-04-19 13:35   ` Shuah Khan
2017-04-19 20:20 ` James Bottomley
2017-04-19 20:27   ` Jiri Kosina
2017-04-20 10:24   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-04-21  8:51     ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-04-21  8:55       ` Julia Lawall
2017-04-21  8:59       ` Wolfram Sang
2017-04-21 14:45         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-04-21 10:34     ` Michael Ellerman
2017-04-21 15:06       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-04-21 23:37         ` James Bottomley
2017-04-20 16:01   ` Dan Williams
2017-04-21 11:07   ` Michael Ellerman
2017-04-21 17:06     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-04-21 23:19   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-04-19 20:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-20  8:53   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-04-20 11:30     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-20 13:46       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-04-24 14:02         ` Olof Johansson
2017-04-24 16:17         ` Linus Walleij
2017-04-24 17:29           ` Olof Johansson
2017-04-24 17:58             ` Mark Brown
2017-04-25  9:10           ` Lee Jones
2017-04-29 21:00             ` Daniel Vetter
2017-04-29 21:39               ` James Bottomley
2017-04-30 12:45                 ` Mark Brown
2017-04-30 19:12               ` Olof Johansson
2017-05-02  8:09               ` Lee Jones
2017-04-20 19:26     ` Mark Brown
2017-04-21 11:03   ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-04-24 13:14     ` Nicolas Ferre
2017-04-19 21:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-19 21:32   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-23 17:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-23 18:17       ` Randy Dunlap
2017-05-23 18:47       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-23 20:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-23 19:29       ` James Bottomley
2017-05-24  3:34       ` David Miller
2017-05-24  4:55         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-21  0:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-09-20 14:45 ` Doug Ledford
2017-09-20 15:07   ` James Bottomley
2017-09-20 15:22     ` Doug Ledford
2017-09-20 15:31       ` James Bottomley
2017-09-20 15:58         ` Doug Ledford
2017-09-20 22:55           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-21  9:33             ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-09-21  4:54     ` James Morris

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