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From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>
Cc: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: Proposal: Enhancing Commit Tagging for Stable Kernel Branches
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:00:01 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6cqya32.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2024071515-zestfully-womankind-1901@gregkh>

Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> writes:

> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 04:34:19PM +0200, Alexandre Belloni wrote:
>> I'm very surprised that it didn't cross anyone's mind yet that
>> contributors and maintainers don't bother using Cc: stable because they
>> don't care about stable for various reasons. So the behaviour is nether
>> good nor bad and doesn't have to be penalized.
>
> Totally true.  The first rule of the stable tree is "it will not put
> additional burden on any developer or maintainer that doesn't want to
> participate in it."  So if you don't want to deal with it, wonderful,
> don't take anything and just don't worry about it.

I must confess I've been wondering about this, since I've seen the above
policy expressed a number of times over the years.  Stable participation
is entirely optional.  But then this conversation has included things
like:

> All our documentation explicitly says that a stable tag is a *must*,
> we've been nagging folks to add it when they haven't, and we give them
> the spiel whenever we're asked why a certain fixes-only commit didn't
> make it into the stable trees.

Sasha, https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZpQbQa-_8GkoiPhE@sashalap

> Anyway, if people want to stick to the current, documented, process,
> great, but as-is, trying to get people to follow that is rough and not
> really working.

Greg, https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024071528-cahoots-reacquire-9eab@gregkh

So, to me, the real question here is: what is the actual policy?  Are
developers and maintainers expected to put in stable tags the way they
are expected to add Signed-off-by, or is it a fully optional practice?
In the latter case, I'm not sure how much good messing with the tags
will do.

Thanks,

jon

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-15 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-14 12:31 Sasha Levin
2024-07-14 13:35 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-14 15:35   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-07-14 16:34     ` James Bottomley
2024-07-14 18:38   ` Sasha Levin
2024-07-14 19:20     ` James Bottomley
2024-07-14 20:18       ` Sasha Levin
2024-07-15 18:00         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-07-15 18:07           ` Mark Brown
2024-07-15 19:06           ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-15 19:23             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-15 19:24             ` James Bottomley
2024-07-15 19:28               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-15 19:30                 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-15 19:39               ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-16  6:30                 ` Greg KH
2024-07-15 20:25               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-07-15 20:47             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-07-16  6:28               ` Greg KH
2024-07-16 12:20                 ` Takashi Iwai
2024-07-17 22:05                   ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-18  7:34                     ` Takashi Iwai
2024-07-18 14:48                       ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-18 14:56                         ` James Bottomley
2024-07-18 16:36                           ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-19  0:49                             ` NeilBrown
2024-07-19  1:35                               ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-19 11:55                                 ` Vegard Nossum
2024-07-23 14:14                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2024-07-16 14:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-16 19:38         ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-15  6:15     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-07-14 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-14 18:47   ` Sasha Levin
2024-07-14 19:27     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-14 20:27       ` Sasha Levin
2024-07-14 23:05         ` James Bottomley
2024-07-14 23:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-15  8:02             ` Greg KH
2024-07-15  8:53               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-07-15 12:48               ` Mimi Zohar
2024-07-15 12:52                 ` Mimi Zohar
2024-07-15 14:34                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2024-07-15 14:40                     ` Greg KH
2024-07-15 15:00                       ` Jonathan Corbet [this message]
2024-07-15 15:07                         ` James Bottomley
2024-07-15 15:19                           ` Sasha Levin
2024-07-15 15:31                             ` James Bottomley
2024-07-15 15:42                             ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-15 15:10                         ` Greg KH
2024-07-15 17:45                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-07-15 18:04                       ` Mark Brown
2024-07-15 20:51                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-07-16  6:25                         ` Greg KH
2024-07-16 15:00                           ` Mark Brown
2024-07-14 23:29           ` NeilBrown
2024-07-14 23:29         ` Steven Rostedt

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