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Tsirkin" , Paolo Bonzini , Takashi Iwai , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Jan Kara , Thorsten Leemhuis , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] [4/4] Discuss how to better prevent backports of commits that turn out to cause regressions In-Reply-To: References: <20240613095917.eeplayyfvl6un56y@quack3> <20240613-rustling-chirpy-skua-d7e6cb@meerkat> <87plsjoax6.fsf@mail.lhotse> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/27.2 Mule/6.0 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.51 / 50.00]; BAYES_HAM(-3.00)[100.00%]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[suse.de:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[]; RBL_SPAMHAUS_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97:from]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; FUZZY_BLOCKED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_XBL(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167:received]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suse.de:+]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org:helo,imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org:rdns] X-Rspamd-Action: no action X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd2.dmz-prg2.suse.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 81F0A5CC95 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.51 X-Spam-Level: On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 03:13:57 +0200, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 at 07:29, Michael Ellerman wrote: > > > > Message-Id: sucks, I want a link I can open with a single click. > > !00% agreed. > > There is no way in hell I will endorse adding more of those completely > *idiotic* "Message-ID" things. > > Yes, people use them. It's a damn shame. > > There is no excuse for that completely broken model. It's objectively > and unquestionably worse than having a "link". > > Here's the thing: if that message-ID isn't public, then that line > SHOULD NOT EXIST and is an actual real problem. I personally look at > those, and go "is that actually available on lore?" > > And if that message-id _is_ public, then it has a link, and it's much > easier for people to check. > > Ergo: there is absolutely zero reason to ever use Message-ID. > > People need to stop advocating that sh*t. > > And no, I'm not at all happy with the fact that apparently vhost and > kvm has made it their thing. > > Paolo, Michael, Takashi, please put useful links, not those braindead > message id's in your commit messages. Sorry for that. I used to convert Message-Id to Link in the past in a git hook, but this got broken after migrating my workstation to a new machine, so you saw it in my previous few PRs as a side effect. I believe it's already fixed in the last PR. Takashi