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Wed, 6 Aug 2025 06:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167]) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org with ESMTPSA id 6P2jJrf1kmi0YQAAD6G6ig (envelope-from ); Wed, 06 Aug 2025 06:27:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 08:27:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87ectprmmg.wl-tiwai@suse.de> From: Takashi Iwai To: Jiri Kosina Cc: Greg KH , James Bottomley , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The amount of -stable emails In-Reply-To: References: <162r47q9-rp56-67so-7032-2r1rn36p03n6@fhfr.pbz> <2025080515-grandpa-prankster-ee83@gregkh> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/27.2 Mule/6.0 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.51 / 50.00]; BAYES_HAM(-3.00)[100.00%]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[]; FUZZY_RATELIMITED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_SPAMHAUS_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97:from]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97:from,2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167:received]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DBL_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org:helo,imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org:rdns,suse.de:mid,suse.de:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suse.de:+] X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Level: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E1F441F444 X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd2.dmz-prg2.suse.org X-Rspamd-Action: no action X-Spam-Score: -3.51 On Tue, 05 Aug 2025 23:39:58 +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Aug 2025, Greg KH wrote: > > > > > This proposal is coming as a followup to the brief IRC discussion > > > > that happened a few months back. > > > > > > > > The amount of e-mails that are coming (with maintainers directly > > > > CCed) as a result of patches being merged to -stable is so > > > > overwhelming that I am not sure that people are making any productive > > > > use of it whatsoever. > > > > > > > > I am personally pretty much ignoring most of it, as (a) I wouldn't > > > > have time to do anything else otherwise (b) I don't have a sufficient > > > > motivation / time to invest effort into stable in the fist place. > > > > > > > > I feel it'd be beneficial to discuss this, and (depending on the > > > > outcome)perhaps make it opt-in (or opt-out) at least, with > > > > people/subsystems having means how to be excluded from all that ... > > > > ? > > > > > > Actually, if stable emails just had a header tag, it would be easy for > > > procmail to sort them out ... which is what I've been asking for for > > > years. X-Stable-Base: and X-Stable: seem to be reasonably common and > > > catch most of it, but codifying the use in the kernel documentation and > > > using them consistently would really help. > > > > These "a patch has been added to the stable queue" has had the following > > X- tags on them since August 2023: > > > > X-stable: commit > > X-Patchwork-Hint: ignore > > > > and I'm sure I only added that because you, or someone else, asked :) > > > > You can also filter on stable-commits@vger.kernel.org, which is what I > > do locally. > > > > So filter away! > > The question is whether it's really worth all the e-mail traffic this is > generating, if people are just filtering those away. > > For context searches if some particular information regarding stable > patch history is needed, we can still do lore/lei queries nicely and > easily. > Is there any other usecase (that people are actually actively using) for > it? In rare cases, patches are incorrectly applied. That can't be verified without the actual patch. Usually it happens with a cherry-pick with fuzz, so we might be able to catch suspected ones, but the inspection of the patch is still needed. Takashi