From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15FDCD1D for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mga05.intel.com (mga05.intel.com [192.55.52.43]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A45F463D for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:25:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Jani Nikula To: Alexandre Belloni , Maxime Ripard In-Reply-To: <20180913125723.GC14988@piout.net> References: <8412864.7ztUKcXNNC@avalon> <2019489.6joTqyUi4Z@avalon> <20180911124423.GM2494@piout.net> <20180912182343.GI2760@piout.net> <20180913120811.oilaweiun3z4l5wo@flea> <20180913125723.GC14988@piout.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:25:27 +0300 Message-ID: <87a7olzd7s.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Alexandre Belloni wrote: > On 13/09/2018 14:08:11+0200, Maxime Ripard wrote: >> All the knowledge they built, experience they got (including at >> reviewing) is gone, possibly forever, and there's no one to pick up >> the subsystem, and the code is left to rot. > > And this is almost the same for the DRM core where Daniel is by far the > top contributor. Except he's no longer a maintainer in either DRM or i915. Checking the stats against current MAINTAINERS will paint you a different picture. And that brings us to another important point: Group maintainership allows for easier onboarding of new maintainers, and easier retirement of old ones. We've changed several maintainers for both the drm-misc tree and i915 since we've switched to group maintainership, and there hasn't been noticeable bumps in the road. Mostly just business as usual. Being a maintainer doesn't have to be for life, and you don't have to burn out and rage quit one fine day and leave everything in ruins behind you as you go. I'm not saying one size fits all, and I'm not saying it's easy to find more maintainers. But it's certainly much *much* easier to find a new co-maintainer to a team of two or three than a new solo maintainer. BR, Jani. -- Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center