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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@bootlin.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:25:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a7olzd7s.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180913125723.GC14988@piout.net>

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com> wrote:
> On 13/09/2018 14:08:11+0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>> All the knowledge they built, experience they got (including at
>> reviewing) is gone, possibly forever, and there's no one to pick up
>> the subsystem, and the code is left to rot.
>
> And this is almost the same for the DRM core where Daniel is by far the
> top contributor.

Except he's no longer a maintainer in either DRM or i915. Checking the
stats against current MAINTAINERS will paint you a different picture.

And that brings us to another important point: Group maintainership
allows for easier onboarding of new maintainers, and easier retirement
of old ones. We've changed several maintainers for both the drm-misc
tree and i915 since we've switched to group maintainership, and there
hasn't been noticeable bumps in the road. Mostly just business as
usual. Being a maintainer doesn't have to be for life, and you don't
have to burn out and rage quit one fine day and leave everything in
ruins behind you as you go.

I'm not saying one size fits all, and I'm not saying it's easy to find
more maintainers. But it's certainly much *much* easier to find a new
co-maintainer to a team of two or three than a new solo maintainer.

BR,
Jani.


-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-13 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-10  8:59 Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 14:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:08   ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:38       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 15:47         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:55           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:13             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 16:24               ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 17:10                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:47         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 15:56           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:02             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:07           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:18             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:23               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:41                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 17:06                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 19:48             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:50               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:49         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-10 16:33         ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 19:59           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:30             ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 23:00               ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 23:16               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11  1:14                 ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 15:13     ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-10 15:20       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:31       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 20:15       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:09         ` Sean Paul
2018-09-10 21:38           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-11 10:06             ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-09-11  8:44         ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-11  9:08           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:01             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:09               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:30                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11  8:41       ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-10 15:31   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:39     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 17:10       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 18:59     ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 20:05       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 20:58         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13 11:27         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-13 11:41           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-13 17:08             ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13  2:56     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-13  5:17       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:56   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 20:32     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:55       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 21:33         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:44           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 12:44             ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 14:35               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 15:17                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 15:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 22:00                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 22:17                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-12  8:42                   ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-12 18:45                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 19:52                       ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-12 22:25                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12  9:14                 ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 18:23                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 18:44                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 12:08                       ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 12:57                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-13 13:18                           ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 14:25                           ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2018-09-13 20:05                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 23:02                               ` Rodrigo Vivi
2018-09-14  6:47                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-14  6:39                               ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-14 14:15                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-17  7:40                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-14  7:08                         ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-14  7:39                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-14  8:08                             ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 21:21                     ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-21 16:05                 ` Joe Perches
2018-09-12 22:44             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:56           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:11       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-10 23:05         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 11:43           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 12:03             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 13:04               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 13:10                 ` Julia Lawall
2018-09-17 13:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 13:48                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 13:58                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:50                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 15:21                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 16:50                       ` Joe Perches
2018-09-17 14:14                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 14:59                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 22:39                     ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-17 23:04                       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18  8:00                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-18 11:16                           ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 15:26                             ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-18 16:47                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 16:59                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:08                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:12                                   ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:31                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:42                                     ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:55                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 18:58                                         ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 19:24                                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:47                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 17:49                                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-18 18:03                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 22:46                                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-18 18:22                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 19:16                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-18 18:56                                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 23:05                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18  7:37                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2018-09-18  7:47                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 10:38                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 16:02                         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 16:32                           ` Luck, Tony
2018-09-18 16:35                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 17:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-18 17:28                                 ` Sean Paul
2018-09-18 17:37                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-21 16:46                                 ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-21 17:08                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-21 17:16                                     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-18 17:21                               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 21:01                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-18 23:16                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 23:54                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-09-19  5:27                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-19  9:46                               ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 17:10                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 20:48                             ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-18 16:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 17:24                             ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 19:22                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 19:30                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 19:38                                   ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-18 19:48                                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18  8:24                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-17 13:12             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:14               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 21:59               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-17 22:17                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 21:19       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-11  8:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 16:29   ` [Ksummit-discuss] Fwd: " Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 15:35   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jiri Kosina
2018-09-17 11:11   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Live without email - possible? - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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