From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 070192315 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.suse.de (mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C0FC7E8 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:18:28 +0000 (UTC) From: NeilBrown To: Rainer Fiebig , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:18:18 +1100 In-Reply-To: <2341648.lzjnUGKk1z@siriux> References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <2341648.lzjnUGKk1z@siriux> Message-ID: <877ei56579.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Mishi Choudhary , Greg Kroah-Hartman Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 25 2018, Rainer Fiebig wrote: > Am Montag, 22. Oktober 2018, 08:20:11 schrieb NeilBrown: >> On Sat, Oct 20 2018, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >> > Hi all, >> >=20 >> > As everyone knows by now, we added a new Code of Conduct to the kernel >> > tree a few weeks ago. >>=20 >> I wanted to stay detached from all this, but as remaining (publicly) >> silent might be seen (publicly) as acquiescing, I hereby declare that: >> I reject, as illegitimate, this Code and the process by >> which it is being "developed". >>=20 >> It is clear from the surrounding discussions that this is well outside o= ur >> core competencies. It will be flawed, it isn't what we need. >>=20 >> I call on any other community members who reject this process to say so, >> not to remain silent. >> #Iobject >>=20 >> We don't need a "Code of Conduct" nearly as much as we need "Leadership >> in conduct". Without the leadership, any code looks like a joke. >>=20 > [...] >=20=20 >> I call on you, Greg: >> - to abandon this divisive attempt to impose a "Code of Conduct" >> - to revert 8a104f8b5867c68 > > Yes but this seems increasingly unlikely now. However, there may be an=20 > alternative. > > Jugding by the release-message for 4.19, some people here are fans of=20 > Monty Python's. No wonder - as those guys are famous for being unrelentin= g=20 > supporters of Political Correctness. > > So one would be on the safe side if one just supplemented "Our Pledge"=20 > with this: > > "Everybody has the right to be offended." > > I think, John Cleese would also welcome this.[1] > > What do you think? I do think that giving certain rights to the community is a good thing: =2D the right to tell anyone that their speech is hurtful =2D the right to (patch) review by a third party. I don't think the right to be offended really needs to be given. Yes, I know it is a joke and I do like Monty Python. I just don't think it is particular helpful in this context. Maybe I missed something. For myself, I relinquish my right to be offended. I just don't do it. It doesn't seem to be worth the effort. Thanks, NeilBrown > > Regards! > > > Rainer Fiebig > > > > [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427218/Political-correctnes= s-killing-comedy-says-John-Cleese-Monty-Python-star-believes-fear-offending= -certain-groups-lead-1984-style-society-free-expression-not-allowed.html > > > --=20 > The truth always turns out to be simpler than you thought. > Richard Feynman --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEG8Yp69OQ2HB7X0l6Oeye3VZigbkFAlvSQSsACgkQOeye3VZi gbkGZw/+Kb+EyDzG/rh08Umewq+93IV7ewkPFBvgyZBER+YtHB4q3JreNPYM/R68 nbKd0QjJlVPZvQY9x7Wqh3mfWYNqeu+QH5s9IYXtg8NVilcUqZfFknsoO+opRZMW 7jeD4GkMFGpudXMkxujqKweB/d1m4ZjyTH0FSRfrssDs6WZpu5oRlRFaujU/8fwM rqMbi97Vbw9tbQyh27JWh31obfcrh6Ma7kXZ3jaj54g7pJcALeS5r09ZW4EqZHJs 1weVtysv/fu8GthnmH9/aOWA3kkSUCy/RDcN4xC2MIi4anY4U0WBtPsb1iXzOdLV +IRMY0It3gUS8Ak/rPDYgjJvyxP9tjmelWAEFk6NcQ6LfzCLMHYQU6xyf5aO+zid VbX+LFrffmnVv7PdUOHujStmyGMWKSXE22c/1GNfk+yFOVOe+CQLpQaNFEQOB79Y qZC9wt/mVBmsicRiloOCrBUlGInavvSk4gjimO2JXI2nCnIrEYmXAJrg85G6j1vF 70KlEa4FnTEEcHVnRR3lTAESWwpzOh9+L3kU1fqWpwf6+dNsp+A6iucB/+byQMQr ioSNQolgL6bG61b3AlnXOhFhXhEbuftQig7OBS7LchkURHS7/HcivO7KTm9gN2JT CY9/BQ/nhHL5uJnY7pl6zM/1HSHw6YEwyhFIQRrZ3QabcWRF9oE= =NK6q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--