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8mT2Eh9SkH+YVOmaKsajgZgrBxA7fWmGoxXswEVxJIFj3vW7yNc0C5HaUdYa5iGOMs4kg2ht4s7yy7NRQuh7BifWjo6BQ6k4S1H+6axZucxhSV1L6zN9d+lr3Xo/vy1unzA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.3 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 2025-09-15 at 11:29 -0700, dan.j.williams@intel.com wrote: > Kees Cook wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 05:38:36PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > [..] > > It seems like a "show your work" approach for commit logs would be > > valuable regardless of tools involved. I've been struggling to find > > a short way to describe this, though. Initially I thought we wanted > > to ask "Why is this contribution correct?" but we actually already > > expect that to be answered in the commit log. We want something > > more specific, like "How did you construct this solution?" But that > > is unlikely to be distilled into a trailer tag. >=20 > Is this something more than "declare assumptions and tradeoffs"? One > of the trust smells of a patchset is understanding earnest > alternatives, and the author's willingness to entertain alternatives. >=20 > If a submitter is not prepared to to argue *against* the patch being > included in its current form, then that can indicate more homework is > needed. I agree this is necessary for a submitter to engage in the patch process, but I would argue it's not sufficient to satisfy concerns about AI content of the patch because there are many instances of one individual successfully taking over another's patch set for the purposes of putting it upstream (and thus making the arguments above). Regards, James