Re: KTODO automated TODO lists

[Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>]

On 10/25/23 14:14, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:29 PM NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>> On 23/10/2023 20:49, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 07:11:36 +0300 Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Yesterday someone on my lists just sent an email looking for kernel
>>>>>> tasks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well here's a task: write a bot which follows the mailing lists and
>>>>> sends people nastygrams if one of their emails is more than 95%(?)
>>>>> quoted text.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's happening significantly more lately.  Possibly because the gmail
>>>>> client helpfully hides quoted text.
>>>>
>>>> I would also point to reviewers and maintainers who give a Rb/Ack tag:
>>>> 1. somewhere at the top, without any footer like Best regards, and then
>>>> quote entire patch, so I don't know shall I look for more comments after
>>>> Rb/Ack?
>>>>
>>>> 2. quote entire email and then add Rb/Ack, so I need to figure out
>>>> whether there was something between the hundreds of lines of text or not.
>>>
>>> Here we all are, brilliantly talented computer programmers who spend
>>> our days making amazing fast digital devices do amazingly clever and
>>> subtle things, inventing time-saving tools and processing vast amounts
>>> of data without blinking, but for some reason we think the task of
>>> skipping over a few thousand lines that all start with '> " is too hard
>>> for us and that we should, in stead, complain to some other human to
>>> convince them to make our life easier for us.
>>>
>>> Does anyone else see the irony?
>>
>> Please compare the numbers:
>>   1. 1 sender removes irrelevant parts,
>>   2. N receivers skip irrelevant parts.
> 
> That is one way to look at the numbers.
> Another is:
> 
>   12 - fix about a dozen MUAs to summaries quotes properly
>   12000 - fix an unknownable number of people to quote just exactly the
>           amount that their particular audience is going to want
> 
> and when it comes to fixing-code versus fixing-people, I know which this
> community is better at.
> 
> I guess there is also the option
> 
>    1 - fix vger.kernel.org to reject postings from people who don't
>         think and quote like "us", because we already have too many
>         contributor and want to block the heretics
> 
> This is really just a form of the "platform problem" which lwn.net has
> occasionally written about.  The "problem" is that we treat the platform
> (library code or other infrastructure) as fixed and develop ugly hacks
> in our own code to work around some shortcoming, rather the going into
> the platform and fixing it once for everyone there.

The problem AFAICT is that many (most?) of us expect a certain level of
etiquette but we are not seeing it in some posts.

-- 
~Randy