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8mT2Eh9SkH+YVOmaKsajgZgrBxA7fWmGoxXswEVxJIFj3vW7yNc0C5HaUdYa5iGOMs4kg2ht4s7yy7NRQuh7BifWjo6BQ6k4S1H+6axZucxhSV1L6zN9d+lr3Xo/vy1unzA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.3 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2025-10-16 at 14:51 +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2025, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: >=20 > > The "Link:" tag is unfortunately a bag of holding for all sorts of > > links. >=20 > That's indeed the case. >=20 > People are using Link: not only to refer to the actual msgid that was > used to apply the patch , then there are links to all sorts of > bugzillas, github pull requests, gitlab issue reports, ... and those > definitely have completely different semantics. >=20 > Which is also why people sometimes seem to be talking past each > other, because maintainers mostly see it as a primary tool to > reference the email thread that was the source of the patch, while > submitters often see it as a way to express "See also for random pile > of other information regarding this". >=20 > But I think it's an important disctinction. To repeat what I said here: https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/ef52db7e1d08eb03376fd9343c965aab4dc71ce5.ca= mel@HansenPartnership.com/ --- I actually think this debate should be split into two pieces: 1. What completely automated thing do we need to help tools with tracking. I think the message-id header would do that 2. What mindful thing could maintainers add to a commit to give useful background information? I think a lot of people want the former but Linus is asking for the latter and Link: has previously tried to serve both purposes which lead to the current dispute. I'm hoping splitting the discussion will produce something better on both fronts. --- Regards, James