From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.zytor.com (terminus.zytor.com [198.137.202.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48C4A1C860E for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 19:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.136 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1760382473; cv=none; b=cmJADzpAnUjmznb6RqNKBsVSRJoytRiTYB2+o/SNPTYazCqwISwRjCinO/6T3zGm+MHP/tWynHZPKIYoefZTbtWfMTsa9R03NiXvjz7LqOQ4xgAc0mwfvpvJzECSWkUoeoO4/gx1kKafT6s2B/DzM46/zJJlxCCBVOFp2iO1Rss= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1760382473; c=relaxed/simple; bh=i0eVpvWEh2/U9Qzol2PqQzxUcG5ifU+ujHIfAozmTk8=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gWXtlNYZS6IgGQrXTYncAokBUPF7J9wH9rf4Ptb+EVpxVlnxsc12uABaVNgJFf5So1ZWIq8mBobLMkzIpfL/F7uMm/NoeusXPpSEWahu74zyU0wx8AF6KwOnkYCGHl1Wln2j3FqUKyGHUmNljRt7FVJitx6rEhLsYQ+cxjG543E= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zytor.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zytor.com; dkim=fail (2048-bit key) header.d=zytor.com header.i=@zytor.com header.b=LNjGFD7/ reason="signature verification failed"; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.136 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zytor.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zytor.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=zytor.com header.i=@zytor.com header.b="LNjGFD7/" Received: from ehlo.thunderbird.net (c-76-133-66-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.133.66.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.zytor.com (8.18.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPSA id 59DJ7fMs1427331 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:07:41 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mail.zytor.com 59DJ7fMs1427331 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zytor.com; s=2025092201; t=1760382463; bh=NmGLcLTkz7eFn6ePYdzTYWckzlqlSaZ/QFY1fC38B50=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=LNjGFD7/6Sz77u6PLipFoPg/kgbo1gMc7ZxORGlVYzRgRZEQTx/qD/fcDd1HIb+X8 VzAxfsQvZqd9o/pjCjuG5z5TMf6vGCL/KK9rHifXxodIkjMSyU9wZX1L+onHMFfmTf 8HtEurNthIJpLs8uKtgTUwwjoyejSA8IxSSNi88skbZB9/iUl80F9OL9gqETbenDfq LTEs5vBXy049cuWbC14h6CWmDZOJCSzr4da+srOEFZXv71/HF8hWXlBQayxUKdrywU G4BwbK6JLIytzhlf7uLdkwGesVm5moIwN9Kl3vQxzFt6TVsrDqAO7Ag38BG155JsPm tV8GuVMO68gVA== Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:07:38 -0700 From: "H. Peter Anvin" To: "Theodore Ts'o" , Steven Rostedt CC: James Bottomley , Doug Anderson , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20251013175031.GJ354523@mit.edu> References: <20251013133913.015f253b@gandalf.local.home> <20251013175031.GJ354523@mit.edu> Message-ID: <7EE2713D-7612-4EAC-9E4E-225A92FEC9D3@zytor.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On October 13, 2025 10:50:31 AM PDT, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:31:32 -0400 >> James Bottomley wrote: >>=20 >> > Just on this, git format actually controls the amount of information = it >> > prints from the headers rather than the trailers (the git tools are >> > really designed to treat the trailers simply as body text)=2E Howeve= r, >> > that's not to say Link couldn't become a header tag instead of a >> > trailer=2E >>=20 >> I just need it to be visible from patchwork=2E > >Instead of the Link: tag, would this suffice for you? > > Message-ID: <20251007134936=2E7291-2-jack@suse=2Ecz> > >In some ways, it's easier since raw the message Id is directly >available in Patchwork=2E > > - Ted > Oh my=2E Irony=2E This was the *original* definition that I proposed, which was vetoed by Li= nus because it didn't provide a clickable experience=2E The compromise was = to have an URL schema that: a) fully encodes the message ID, so that the death of any specific archive= doesn't mean irreversible information loss; b) is encoded under the kernel=2Eorg domain name, so it is under our direc= t control=2E=20 In IETF terms, we want an identifier that is both a URL and a URN (senso l= ato=2E)