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From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>, Justin Forbes <jforbes@redhat.com>
Cc: ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Stable trees and release time
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:19:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7649ab67-cbaa-291b-d0e1-40e718c02523@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180905144233.GB15573@kroah.com>

On 09/05/2018 07:42 AM, Greg KH wrote:
[ ... ]
> I could do a "one release a week" cycle, which I would _love_ but that
> is not going to decrease the number of patches per release, it is only
> going to make them large (patch rate stays the same, and increases, no
> matter when I release)  So I had been thinking that to break the
> releases up into a "here's a hundred or so patches" per release, was a
> helpful thing to the reviewers.
> 
> If this assumption is incorrect, yes, I can go to one-per-week, if
> people agree that they can handle the large increase per release
> properly.  Can you all do that?
> 

Tough call. More patches per release means higher likelihood of conflicts,
and thus increases the per-release risk (I just checked, chromeos-4.4
carries a whopping 15,000+ patches on top of v4.4.y. Outch). On the other
side, I do miss releases lately, but that is because it sometimes takes
several days for a merge to be accepted by the Chrome OS QC, on top of
the internal merge review process which also takes 2-3 days. Thinking
about it, I'd rather miss a release once in a while than having a rigid
release schedule with more patches per release.

Ultimately, my conclusion is that the current process works fine for us,
but I can also live with fixed schedule. However, I would really dislike
a longer -rc cycle since, for me, it would be zero gain and added pain.

> Are we going to do a "patch tuesday" like our friends in Redmond now? :)
> 
> Note, if we do pick a specific day-per-week, then anything outside of
> that cycle will cause people to look _very_ close at the release.  I
> don't know if that's a good thing or not, but be aware that it could
> cause unintended side-affects.  Personally I think the fact that we are
> _not_ regular is a good thing, no out-of-band information leakage
> happens that way.
> 

Agreed.

Guenter

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-05 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-04 20:58 Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 21:12 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:31   ` Greg KH
2018-09-04 21:22 ` Justin Forbes
2018-09-05 14:42   ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 15:10     ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 15:10     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 16:19     ` Guenter Roeck [this message]
2018-09-05 18:31     ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05 21:23     ` Justin Forbes
2018-09-06  2:17     ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-04 21:33 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-04 21:55   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-04 22:03     ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 23:14       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-04 23:43         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  1:17           ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-06  3:56             ` Benjamin Gilbert
2018-09-04 21:58   ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05  4:53     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05  6:48   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05  8:16     ` Jan Kara
2018-09-05  8:32       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05  8:56         ` Greg KH
2018-09-05  9:13           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-05  9:33             ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 10:11           ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 14:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-05  9:58         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 10:47           ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 12:24             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 12:53               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 13:05                 ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 13:15                   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:00                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 14:06                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 21:02                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 16:39                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 17:06                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-05 17:33                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-05 13:03               ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 13:27                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 14:05                   ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 15:54                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 16:19                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 16:26                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 19:09                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 20:18                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 20:33                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 14:20                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:30                   ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 14:41                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:46                       ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 14:54                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 15:12                           ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 15:19                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 15:29                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 13:16               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 14:27                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:50                   ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 15:00                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 10:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 11:20         ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:41           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 15:18             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-06  8:48               ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-06 12:47                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-04 21:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-04 22:06   ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 23:35     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  1:45       ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05  2:54         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  8:31           ` Jan Kara
2018-09-05  3:44 ` Eduardo Valentin

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