From: Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
paulmck@kernel.org, Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:19:27 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6o4sp81n-q5rr-6n92-o48o-4pr34s9n426q@xreary.bet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250818211354.697cb25a@foz.lan>
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> On my tests with AI, humans need to modify it anyway. It reminds me
> the (not so) good old code generators we had in the past: AI-generated
> code, even when it works, it usually have unneeded steps and other
> caveats that require human interaction to clean it up and fix.
>
> I got good results with AI for things like generating unit tests, but
> once tests are generated, still 50%-60% of them fails because AI
> did stupid things, like not counting whitespaces right, and even
> sometimes forgetting parameters and arguments.
>
> From several aspects, it looks like contact a very junior intern
> that knows a programming language and code really fast, but it has
> no glue about how to generate a production quality level code.
>
> After dozens of interactions, the code can be used as the bases for
> a senior professional to modify it and have something ready for
> merging.
>
> The net result is that:
>
> 1. AI alone doesn't produce a ready-to-merge code;
> 2. Lots of refinement requirements made by humans to shape the code
> into something that actually works;
> 3. During AI interaction, human has to intervene several times to
> avoid AI to hallucinate. Sometimes, it also has to close the
> chat and open again - or even use a different LLM model when
> AI can't converge;
> 4. At best scenario, human still needs to read the code and carefully
> modify for it to make sense; at worse, it has to write its own
> code, eventually using some suggestions from the AI hallucination.
And the point is -- this all has now been much more easily available, and
the increase pressure on maintainers is inevitable (pretty much everybody
is now capable of submitting OK-ish looking code), so the
submitter/maintainer ratio might become very unfair/unbalanced.
Hence the need (I believe) to require proper annotation, even with all the
legal aspect aside.
Thanks,
--
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-18 19:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-05 15:38 Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 17:50 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 18:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:16 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 21:53 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 22:41 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 22:06 ` Alexandre Belloni
2025-08-05 18:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-08 8:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-11 21:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 21:57 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-11 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-11 22:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:54 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-11 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:28 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-12 15:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:03 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 16:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:17 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 17:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:11 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 22:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 23:22 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 23:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 0:02 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-12 2:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:41 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 16:27 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 22:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:54 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-21 11:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-12 8:38 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-12 13:15 ` Bird, Tim
2025-08-12 14:31 ` Greg KH
2025-08-18 21:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 14:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-18 21:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 15:23 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 16:16 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 17:30 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 17:36 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-21 18:01 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:45 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 21:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 21:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 17:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 18:32 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-22 7:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-08-21 20:38 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 21:18 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 20:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 17:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 18:32 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 15:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 19:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-18 19:19 ` Jiri Kosina [this message]
2025-08-18 19:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 19:47 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 22:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-06 8:17 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-08-06 10:13 ` Mark Brown
2025-08-12 14:36 ` Ben Dooks
2025-09-15 18:01 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-15 18:29 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-16 15:36 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 9:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-09-16 15:31 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 14:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 15:00 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-16 15:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 16:06 ` Luck, Tony
2025-09-16 16:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-16 23:30 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-17 15:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-17 17:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
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