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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2026 17:39:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ec883cfe97bf9eb50f71b00c24723f5ed4c273e.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c74353c-40de-4d0b-a517-92a94f8b4af8@lucifer.local>

On Wed, 2026-01-07 at 21:15 +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 07, 2026 at 11:18:52AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 1/7/26 10:12, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > ...
> > > I know Linus had the cute interpretation of it 'just being
> > > another tool' but never before have people been able to do this.
> > 
> > I respect your position here. But I'm not sure how to reconcile:
> > 
> > 	LLMs are just another tool
> > and
> > 	LLMs are not just another tool
> > 
> > :)
> 
> Well I'm not asking you to reconcile that, I'm providing my point of
> view which disagrees with the first position and makes a case for the
> second. Isn't review about feedback both positive and negative?
> 
> Obviously if this was intended to simply inform the community of the
> committee's decision then apologies for misinterpreting it.
> 
> I would simply argue that LLMs are not another tool on the basis of
> the drastic negative impact its had in very many areas, for which you
> need only take a cursory glance at the world to observe.
> 
> Thinking LLMs are 'just another tool' is to say effectively that the
> kernel is immune from this. Which seems to me a silly position.

All tools are double edged and the better a tool is the more
problematic its harmful uses become but people often use them anyway
because of the beneficial uses.  You don't for instance classify
chainsaws as not another tool because they can be used to deforest the
Amazon.  All the document is saying is that we start from the place of
treating AI like any other tool and, like any other tool, if it proves
to cause way more problems than it solves, then we can then move on to
other things.  There are other tools we've tried and abandoned (like
compiling the kernel with c++), so this really isn't any different.

Regards,

James


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-07 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 20:51 Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-07 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 19:18   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 21:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 21:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 11:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:19           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 18:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 22:39       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2026-01-08 10:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 23:50       ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-08 10:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:43           ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 11:53             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-08 10:03         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:20       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 10:14         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:56         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:17           ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 13:56             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 15:58               ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 16:35                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:10                   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:23                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:50                       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 20:14                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09  5:42                           ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09  7:28                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:28                               ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:35                                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09  7:48                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 11:00                             ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 11:25                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:48                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:03                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:05                                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-12 15:06                                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 18:34                               ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 19:08                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 20:45                       ` Jens Axboe
2026-01-08 21:04                         ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-09  5:29                           ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09  7:54                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09  8:54                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-01-09 15:51                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:55                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:07                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:33                                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-10 15:25                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-01-10 15:52                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-10 16:02                                   ` James Bottomley
2026-01-10 16:07                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12 19:02                                     ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-08 14:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:24               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:35                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:48               ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-08 15:01                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 16:42           ` Sasha Levin
2026-01-08 17:40             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:27             ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 19:28               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:30                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:30                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-09 16:37                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:16             ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]       ` <42192F04-2C46-4734-8CF6-DEA8739989C3@hohndel.org>
2026-01-08 10:40         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:41       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-01-08 13:53         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:00 ` SeongJae Park
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-14 18:35 Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:08 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-11-14 22:52   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:17 ` SeongJae Park
2025-11-14 22:53   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 23:19 ` dan.j.williams
2025-11-15 15:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-15 19:05   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 19:07     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 23:30       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-16 12:38         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-11-16 15:25           ` Kees Cook
2025-11-16 16:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 16:55               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-12-23 17:10                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-23 20:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-24 15:41                     ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-24 16:23                       ` Simon Glass
2025-11-16 16:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-17 19:13         ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-15 19:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 20:10 ` Randy Dunlap

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