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wrote: > > On Tue, 2025-08-05 at 18:11 +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 12:43:38PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2025-08-05 at 17:03 +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: > > > > > > > > * On the other hand, there are use cases which are useful - test > > > > > data/code generation, summarisation, smart auto-complete - so > > > > > it'd perhaps be foolish to entirely dismiss AI. > > > > > > > Patch backporting is another such nice use. > > > > > > Patch backporting sounds pretty scary to me, it's the sort of thing > > > where extra context that needs to be accounted for is very likely to > > > come up (eg, assumptions you can make about existing state or > > > santisation). > > > > If you think about it, the git history contains the exact patch path > > between where the patch was applied and where you want to apply it. > > That's a finite data set which LLMs can be trained to work nicely with. > > Most of the patches that fail to backport and get a "FAILED:" mail as a > result are really just either a trivial context conflict ar a missing > dependency. Yeah I'm not surprised by that! > > Resolving those is within the realm of a "junior engineer" which I > suspect AI would tackle fairly well. Right. > > The other ~10-20% are indeed something more complex due to things like a > major rewrite/refactor/etc of a subsystem, where I wouldn't trust the > current state of the art AI to tackle. But mayble a few years from now? Well, I have my doubts :) I think it's always a trade-off of scrutiny + class of error vs. time gains. But this is, of course, a point of debate. > > -- > Thanks, > Sasha By the way Sasha, I was planning to cc- you as this is obviously entirely related to your series and I'm more than happy to propose a join discussion or something like this, - I just followed the rules as per the maintainers summit email strictly and didn't know whether I _could_ cc :) I would enjoy having a friendly discussion about it in person regardless :) Cheers, Lorenzo