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From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, <workflows@vger.kernel.org>,
	<ksummit@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 15:50:30 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <695ef146d651b_4b7a1002a@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c74353c-40de-4d0b-a517-92a94f8b4af8@lucifer.local>

Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
[..]
> And it's not like I'm asking for much, I'm not asking you to rewrite the
> document, or take an entirely different approach, I'm just saying that we
> should highlight that :
> 
> 1. LLMs _allow you to send patches end-to-end without expertise_.
> 
> 2. As a result, even though the community (rightly) strongly disapproves of
>    blanket dismissals of series, if we suspect AI slop [I think it's useful
>    to actually use that term], maintains can reject it out of hand.
> 
> Point 2 is absolutely a new thing in my view.

I worry what this sentiment does to the health of the project. Is
"hunting for slop" really what we want to be doing? When the accusation
is false, what then?

If the goal of the wording change is to give cover and license for that
kind of activity, I have a hard time seeing that as good for the
project.

It has always been the case that problematic submitters put stress on
maintainer bandwidth. Having a name for one class of potential
maintainer stress in a process document does not advance the status quo.

A maintainer is trusted to maintain the code and have always been able
to give feedback of "I don't like it, leaves a bad taste", "I don't
trust it does what it claims", or "I don't trust you, $submitter, to be
able to maintain the implications of this proposal long term". That
feedback is not strictly technical, but it is more actionable than "this
is AI slop".

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-07 23:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 20:51 Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-07 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 19:18   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 21:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 21:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 11:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:19           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 18:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 22:39       ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 10:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 23:50       ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2026-01-08 10:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:43           ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 11:53             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-08 10:03         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:20       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 10:14         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:56         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:17           ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 13:56             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 15:58               ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 16:35                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:10                   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:23                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:50                       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 20:14                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09  5:42                           ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09  7:28                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:28                               ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:35                                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09  7:48                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 11:00                             ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 11:25                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:48                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:03                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:05                                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-12 15:06                                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 18:34                               ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 19:08                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 20:45                       ` Jens Axboe
2026-01-08 21:04                         ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-09  5:29                           ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09  7:54                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09  8:54                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-01-09 15:51                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:55                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:07                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:33                                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-10 15:25                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-01-10 15:52                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-10 16:02                                   ` James Bottomley
2026-01-10 16:07                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12 19:02                                     ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-08 14:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:24               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:35                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:48               ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-08 15:01                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 16:42           ` Sasha Levin
2026-01-08 17:40             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:27             ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 19:28               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:30                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:30                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-09 16:37                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:16             ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]       ` <42192F04-2C46-4734-8CF6-DEA8739989C3@hohndel.org>
2026-01-08 10:40         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:41       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-01-08 13:53         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:00 ` SeongJae Park
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-14 18:35 Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:08 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-11-14 22:52   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:17 ` SeongJae Park
2025-11-14 22:53   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 23:19 ` dan.j.williams
2025-11-15 15:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-15 19:05   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 19:07     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 23:30       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-16 12:38         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-11-16 15:25           ` Kees Cook
2025-11-16 16:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 16:55               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-12-23 17:10                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-23 20:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-24 15:41                     ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-24 16:23                       ` Simon Glass
2025-11-16 16:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-17 19:13         ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-15 19:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 20:10 ` Randy Dunlap

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