From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C3E1361 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 21:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-f53.google.com (mail-it0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C807C713 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 21:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f53.google.com with SMTP id p79-v6so17836597itp.3 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:34:16 -0700 (PDT) To: "John W. Linville" References: <1536263073.6012.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1536267088.6012.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1536268421.6012.9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180906212806.GC4241@tuxdriver.com> From: Jens Axboe Message-ID: <67f29652-a6ae-d49c-ee6b-cbdd480c0e00@kernel.dk> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 15:34:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180906212806.GC4241@tuxdriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: James Bottomley , ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER TOPIC] Succession Planning: Is It time to Throw Linus Under a Bus? List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 9/6/18 3:28 PM, John W. Linville wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 03:20:08PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote: >> On 9/6/18 3:13 PM, James Bottomley wrote: >>> On Thu, 2018-09-06 at 13:59 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: >>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:51 PM James Bottomley >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's happened occasionally, but it's not very traditional.  Usually >>>>> when people do a palace coup replacement, the tumbrels are waiting >>>>> outside to cart the old dictator off to their sticky end. >>>> >>>> This has taken a dark turn. >>> >>> You were the one who mentioned dictators ... I was perfectly happy with >>> the bus. >>> >>>> I do want to point out that I brought the question up last year on >>>> the spot. I didn't get any reaction then. I was thinking me not being >>>> around would have been more conducive to discussion. But whatever. >>> >>> OK, so we could still have a plebiscite in Vancouver; we have the room >>> and the time still reserved. It could propose a succession plan and >>> just present it to you. I admit there's precedent; it's how we did the >>> next TAB chair for instance. >>> >>> However, I really think for an orderly succession plan, you need to be >>> part of it rather than having a palace coup which could end up being >>> really messy and divisive. I suspect people treated your proposal last >>> year as more of a joke last year because they didn't think you were >>> serious. If you're really serious about doing this, let's try to come >>> up with the succession process in Edinburgh in October and see if we >>> can run a Maintainer Summit with the new Leadership in Vancouver in >>> November. >> >> This seems rather hasty to me, I think it would be prudent to establish >> a timeline (on both sides?). Unless you are really proposing a coup? > > FWIW, it took me months to coordinate an orderly withdraw just > from the wireless maintainership. If this is a serious discussion, > then I don't think it's too early to start planning for the coming > changes. Just the thought of finding enough fools to backfill Linus > makes me shudder... I agree it'll take a long time to do this properly, the hastiness remark was mostly in relation to the statement talking about a new leadership being in place the month after. -- Jens Axboe