From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F06782A3B for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com (mx0b-00082601.pphosted.com [67.231.153.30]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A06E7EB for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:37:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Mason To: Mark Brown Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:36:52 +0000 Message-ID: <64DFF478-D006-4823-9A52-11550CD4A525@fb.com> References: <20181016021254.GA21220@thunk.org> <1539702797.2805.19.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181016181628.GK7449@sirena.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20181016181628.GK7449@sirena.org.uk> Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: James Bottomley , ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Draft Maintainer's Summit Agenda and Attendees List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 16 Oct 2018, at 14:16, Mark Brown wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:13:17AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: >> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 10:11 +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > >>> And I don't see anyone else from an external community with real >>> experience (or someone who does consulting in this area) invited to >>> fill that gap either. > >> I don't buy the narrative that you must be a CoC consultant or >> implementor to make a difference. The kernel communities have been >> getting better for a while and several people on the invitee list=20 >> have >> had a lot to do with that. For me, one of the most gratifying things I hope that maintainers summit and plumbers are just part of our=20 continued conversation about all of these issues. It's really hard to=20 setup the perfect set of people in the room when we're still working on=20 all of the questions that need to be asked and finding the best set of=20 people to work on them. [ ... ] > > One of the things we could end up doing at the meeting is deferring=20 > some > of the decision for mailing list or other discussion which would give=20 > a > space for that to happen. Strongly agree here. -chris