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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.com>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2025 15:52:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5b79d292-7a75-48f4-8303-9ecd5211fe99@paulmck-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A7310727-3DAF-4AF0-8E82-6AD17F5E94AC@zytor.com>

On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 03:45:54PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On August 11, 2025 3:12:25 PM PDT, "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> wrote:
> >On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 02:57:30PM -0700, Luck, Tony wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 02:46:11PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Aug 08, 2025 at 10:31:27AM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >> > > On 05/08/2025 19:50, Sasha Levin wrote:
> >> > > With AI you do not have to even write it. It will hallucinate, create
> >> > > some sort of C code and you just send it. No need to compile it even!
> >> > 
> >> > Completely agreed, and furthermore, depending on how that AI was
> >> > trained, those using that AI's output might have some difficulty meeting
> >> > the requirements of the second portion of clause (a) of Developer's
> >> > Certificate of Origin (DCO) 1.1: "I have the right to submit it under
> >> > the open source license indicated in the file".
> >> 
> >> Should the rules be:
> >> 
> >> 1) No submissions directly from an AI agent. The From: line must
> >> always refer to a human.
> >> 
> >> 2) The human on the From: line takes full responsibilty for the
> >> contents of the patch. If it is garbage, or broken in some way
> >> there's no fall back on the "but AI wrote that bit".
> >
> >Another option is "The AI was trained only on input having a compatible
> >license."  Which, to your point, would to the best of my knowledge cut
> >out all of the popular and easily available AIs.
> >
> >There might well be less restrictive conditions on the AI training data,
> >but I am not qualified to evaluate such conditions, let alone construct
> >them.
> 
> I think we need legal advice on this, but I think this is a *really*
> important issue. It could end up being a very ugly mess otherwise.

Indeed, one of the reasonsss that I am not qualified is that I am
no lawyer.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-11 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-05 15:38 Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 17:50 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 18:00   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:16     ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 21:53       ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 22:41       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:34     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 22:06     ` Alexandre Belloni
2025-08-05 18:32   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-08  8:31   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-11 21:46     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 21:57       ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-11 22:12         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:45           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-11 22:52             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2025-08-11 22:54           ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-11 23:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:47               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:06                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:28         ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-12 15:49           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:03             ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 16:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:17                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 17:12                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 17:39                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:11       ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 22:51         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 23:22           ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 23:42             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12  0:02               ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-12  2:49                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:41             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:48               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:22             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:23           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 16:27               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 22:03                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:54                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-21 11:46                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-12  8:38       ` James Bottomley
2025-08-12 13:15         ` Bird, Tim
2025-08-12 14:31           ` Greg KH
2025-08-18 21:12           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:01             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 14:42         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:55           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-18 21:07           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:15             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 15:23             ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 16:16               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:44                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:23                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 16:50                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 17:30                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 17:36                         ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-21 18:01                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:03                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:45                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:21                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 21:32                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 21:49                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 17:53                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 18:32                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:07                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:52                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-22  7:55                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-08-21 20:38                     ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 21:18                       ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 20:46                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 17:53         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 18:32           ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 15:14             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 19:13         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-18 19:19           ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 19:44             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 19:47               ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 22:44                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-06  8:17 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-08-06 10:13   ` Mark Brown
2025-08-12 14:36     ` Ben Dooks
2025-09-15 18:01 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-15 18:29   ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-16 15:36     ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16  9:39   ` Jiri Kosina
2025-09-16 15:31     ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 14:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 15:00     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-16 15:48       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 16:06         ` Luck, Tony
2025-09-16 16:58           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-16 23:30     ` Kees Cook
2025-09-17 15:16       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-17 17:02       ` Laurent Pinchart

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