From: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linaro.org>
To: Tsugikazu Shibata <tshibata@ab.jp.nec.com>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>
Cc: "ltsi-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ltsi-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] [Stable kernel] feature backporting collaboration
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:46:06 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <57E248CE.6050208@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EA994DF73240CA4588A99BF072DB284002126D4F@BPXM12GP.gisp.nec.co.jp>
On 09/20/2016 01:15 PM, Tsugikazu Shibata wrote:
>> Yes, I'll have an LTS this year, but next year? Maybe not, my dream would be that it
>> >wouldn't be needed. And one has to dream :)
> In this thread, We LTSI team could recognized there is still huge gap between community and industry (especially that have no Enterprise distribution).
> Some years ago, I think Enterprise distros got number of requests to include specific in-house patches from companies but distros were never accepted because of upstream first policy and as the result, companies were going to send patch to upstream.
> And then, It looks better forming now.
> OTH, Industry that have no such distros, companies should build their own distribution by their own but they have no enough resources to maintain the kernel long term. So, LTS is only the choice for such industry.
> In the case, companies should understand LTS is a community work, so they should not only consume LTS but also work with upstream.
> By the discussion here, large outstanding patches waiting for next LTS without considering upstream. Also, others are trying to push unready patches for next LTS candidates. These are the example of the gap.
> We LTSI were trying to do some activities to reduce the gap but It seems still not enough.
> As for a next step, I think industry should discuss this problem to find better way otherwise we will lose only a choice. We would try to set up a chance of this discussion at coming Embedded Linux Conference Europe. I hope related people would join there and exchange their own opinion.
I will be there for ELC EU. and like to share some comments on this
issue with you.
But as to LTS existence value, no doubt industry guys like it even it's
just a symbol as co-work target. industry guys do what they do now
because of balance between product pressure and long term maintainer
pressure. Not of they are blind or untrained for upstream benefit. Maybe
there should has better way to help them out....
Regards
Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-21 8:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-01 2:01 [Ksummit-discuss] " Alex Shi
2016-09-02 1:25 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-02 2:43 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-09-02 9:59 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 9:54 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 10:16 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-02 14:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2016-09-02 14:55 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-02 15:04 ` James Bottomley
2016-09-02 15:39 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-02 17:06 ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-05 1:45 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-05 11:04 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 22:44 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-06 0:57 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 5:41 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08 18:33 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Bird, Timothy
2016-09-08 22:38 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09 11:01 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 22:17 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 17:37 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 7:46 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-13 17:53 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 18:21 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Olof Johansson
2016-09-02 23:35 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-03 5:29 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-03 10:40 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-04 0:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-04 8:34 ` gregkh
2016-09-04 22:58 ` Amit Kucheria
2016-09-04 23:51 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-05 12:58 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 11:11 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 14:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-05 14:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-06 0:35 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 15:30 ` James Bottomley
2016-09-06 19:44 ` gregkh
2016-09-06 22:20 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 22:34 ` James Bottomley
2016-09-08 18:55 ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-08 19:19 ` gregkh
2016-09-09 10:45 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 11:03 ` gregkh
2016-09-09 11:48 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 23:23 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 13:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-09-06 16:24 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2016-09-06 16:25 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-06 22:39 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-07 8:33 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-07 8:41 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-09-07 18:44 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-08 17:06 ` Frank Rowand
2016-09-09 10:32 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 15:21 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-12 15:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-06 16:46 ` Olof Johansson
2016-09-08 8:34 ` Linus Walleij
2016-09-08 8:55 ` Vinod Koul
2016-09-09 14:32 ` Rob Herring
2016-09-09 14:23 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <2181684.5VzIQ6DWv4@amdc1976>
2016-09-07 9:32 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-09-07 13:07 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2016-09-07 18:49 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 15:06 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-02 23:29 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 19:16 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-03 0:05 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 9:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-21 6:58 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 9:23 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 14:52 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 15:28 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 18:50 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22 3:15 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 18:22 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-21 18:54 ` Linus Walleij
2016-09-21 19:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-22 0:43 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22 5:20 ` gregkh
2016-09-22 12:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-22 16:22 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22 22:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-23 12:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-23 13:27 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Alex Shi
2016-09-23 13:40 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-23 14:40 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mark Brown
2016-09-21 13:56 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-21 15:23 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 15:33 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 19:16 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 13:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-02 19:31 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-02 19:42 ` gregkh
2016-09-02 20:06 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-03 2:04 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 7:20 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Tsugikazu Shibata
2016-09-10 12:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-12 16:27 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 17:14 ` Greg KH
2016-09-12 23:45 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 3:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-13 10:14 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 13:19 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-13 6:19 ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 10:38 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 12:09 ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 12:20 ` Josh Boyer
2016-09-13 13:12 ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 16:23 ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-13 19:02 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 14:47 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-20 5:15 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2016-09-21 8:46 ` Alex Shi [this message]
2016-09-13 12:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-13 19:21 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 1:49 ` Greg KH
2016-09-14 3:00 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-12 4:12 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-12 16:09 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-09-13 2:39 ` Alex Shi
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