From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAA43A04 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bh-25.webhostbox.net (bh-25.webhostbox.net [208.91.199.152]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C1A41BB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <559D518A.7010304@roeck-us.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:36:26 -0700 From: Guenter Roeck MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Cooper , =?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgSMO8d2U=?= References: <201507080121.41463.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> <201507080905.00051.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> <20150708150220.GJ23515@io.lakedaemon.net> In-Reply-To: <20150708150220.GJ23515@io.lakedaemon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Josh Boyer , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 07/08/2015 08:02 AM, Jason Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 09:04:58AM +0200, Peter Hüwe wrote: >> "I've been a kernel reviewer and tester" -- meh, who cares > > Show me a concrete example where that has been expressed. I've had the > exact opposite experience. Typically I've had to tone down the > expectations of others. > Lucky you. In my experience, code reviews often don't get much attention by project managers responsible for commercial projects. If anything, quite the opposite. The Linux kernel development culture is quite different. Linux kernel: "Thanks a lot for reviewing my code and making it better". Commercial: "Why do your reviews always take such a long time ? You are holding up the release!" Granted, that doesn't happen everywhere, but I have seen it more than once, and I would content that this kind of culture is pretty widely spread. Anyone entering such an environment might actually encounter negative reactions to "I am a kernel reviewer and tester". Of course, one might argue that joining an affected company might not be a good idea in the first place, but not everyone has that much flexibility or choice. I am not saying that it would be a bad idea to give code reviewers more credit; quite the contrary. However, I think it would be wrong to assume or expect that giving reviewers more credit would improve their chances for employment. It would, however, result in reviewers feeling recognized for themselves, which is a good thing. Why does it matter ? I had a discussion a while ago with the founder of one of the web sites providing product reviews. I suggested to give product reviewers some kind of monetary reward for their reviews, eg part of the advertising revenue created by the site. Feedback I got was that reviewers typically don't care about monetary rewards, but they do care about recognition and about their standing in the community. Guenter