From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [96.44.175.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 680A653A1; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="h+rAPHFd"; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="gIy/k5NY" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1698234359; bh=eXAXk6onRk3Nfca4dVEs+edIdJK1E8j5lBEv5MVEPnM=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=h+rAPHFdQq0mTi5RGysjHVHjKU51KeWEeIPIZQ7iA1l0jUt8qw7mwEIYO98uVUS21 TaodZgeK1IYTsptkZObQthxuGwWW5qC36TBhbcIqbUG7RfnnIsdqVrjCnHavlSHVmT 1Lt2V9CcUo/ro7RDv14x7ICs7WxHq+OyZdzNkMzE= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EE512867CE; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id owkWJzw--QJo; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:45:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1698234358; bh=eXAXk6onRk3Nfca4dVEs+edIdJK1E8j5lBEv5MVEPnM=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=gIy/k5NYOxT33P6nrpOqfMFh9SUmA5Rg7JfifTxdzsb7VCHNxrlVIosdWWLT4S1CC R8r+D0uChs025VxTX5c2HfrLE+9xg/mb7pz8ReOMsuY1Gqm4UqKsDiKk9jk3Hhrswp fUlo2LC+NmYrvOPCKhr6MtUhRAxMmnN1N5hR9n0o= Received: from lingrow.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:5c4:4302:c21::c14]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD05B12865DA; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53c584c21f273548004a7ddb5aa4c04ec7bca1c5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: KTODO automated TODO lists From: James Bottomley To: NeilBrown , Krzysztof Kozlowski Cc: Andrew Morton , Dan Carpenter , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, outreachy@lists.linux.dev, kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:45:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <169818295461.20306.14022136719064683486@noble.neil.brown.name> References: <369bc919-1a1d-4f37-9cc9-742a86a41282@kadam.mountain> , <20231023114949.34fc967988c354547f79c4e7@linux-foundation.org> , <8ca50d4c-3c96-4efa-a111-fca04d580ab5@kernel.org> <169818295461.20306.14022136719064683486@noble.neil.brown.name> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.42.4 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 08:29 +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > On 23/10/2023 20:49, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 07:11:36 +0300 Dan Carpenter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yesterday someone on my lists just sent an email looking for > > > > kernel > > > > tasks. > > > > > > Well here's a task: write a bot which follows the mailing lists > > > and > > > sends people nastygrams if one of their emails is more than > > > 95%(?) > > > quoted text. > > > > > > It's happening significantly more lately.  Possibly because the > > > gmail > > > client helpfully hides quoted text. > > > > I would also point to reviewers and maintainers who give a Rb/Ack > > tag: > > 1. somewhere at the top, without any footer like Best regards, and > > then > > quote entire patch, so I don't know shall I look for more comments > > after > > Rb/Ack? > > > > 2. quote entire email and then add Rb/Ack, so I need to figure out > > whether there was something between the hundreds of lines of text > > or not. > > Here we all are, brilliantly talented computer programmers who spend > our days making amazing fast digital devices do amazingly clever and > subtle things, inventing time-saving tools and processing vast > amounts of data without blinking, but for some reason we think the > task of skipping over a few thousand lines that all start with '> " > is too hard for us and that we should, in stead, complain to some > other human to convince them to make our life easier for us. > > Does anyone else see the irony? So if I'm a brilliantly talented driver, it's OK for other people to drive on the wrong side of the road because I should be able to avoid them? The point being there are some situations where observing global etiquette is way more helpful than an individual solution, however talented the individual. James