From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5835F996 for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 04:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.active-venture.com (mail.active-venture.com [67.228.131.205]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8841F968 for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 04:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <53685F44.3040305@roeck-us.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 21:04:20 -0700 From: Guenter Roeck MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Rostedt , Greg KH References: <53662254.9060100@huawei.com> <5366FBDB.7090705@huawei.com> <20140505134126.GA22287@thunk.org> <20140505223324.GA5298@kroah.com> <20140505232010.26a67845@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <20140505232010.26a67845@gandalf.local.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Josh Boyer , lizf.kern@gmail.com, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable issues List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 05/05/2014 08:20 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2014 15:33:24 -0700 > Greg KH wrote: > > >> And as for announcing it ahead of time, I'm never going to do that >> again, the aftermath was horrid of people putting stuff that shouldn't >> be there. Heck, when people know about what the enterprise kernels are >> going to be, they throw stuff into upstream "early", so it's a >> well-known pattern and issue. > > Perhaps you can announce that 3.X "might" be the LTS tree. And just as > 3.X merge window opens, announce that 3.(X-1) is the new LTS tree. It > would be too late to have people pushing "unfinished" code into the LTS. > After the first time this happens people would know or assume that it is going to be 3.(X-1), and push the unfinished stuff into that release. Then 3.(X-1) would be in such a bad shape that using it as stable release would be a bad idea. And if 3.(X-1) doesn't make it, you would have even more people push unfinished crap into 3.X. Ultimately you would end up with two bad releases instead of one. In other words, I don't think this kind of reverse psychology would work. Guenter