From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8DAC2E2F1B for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2025 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755012484; cv=none; b=JODKnYBMZnTTo1dcIU/lhmEUsjbZ6rHL3XgcMpuW4sIJaLjml9FjwbnhlV+zJm4U0SF2dkohDYoaiZTKQyxh/A78ugRGh//H+khNFe6XCBfmMYy5Lu7zlk7h+bLpYrnPz14y9ujQZwSDdsXocLXvk4L7IS9YIM8EGplK5dR8SiU= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755012484; c=relaxed/simple; bh=bwweifuRwPP6zZ+btXLbS898SRE61CJJUKHBDsu2omc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=pNNzUsdF3haMvFIuQCTspWLwqJtOzdisTd2EJikfzB9grBcpbw0CgtTguqV3XtCLLkpJzcgth4dAPXIkubA/RqVpLT44rSuC1QcR4QtV1EZ1zDr2OQhAEQWG1lIIG+jhWUKt2ZPM1izu2rjyigCNyEvF8E09VbX9VreL217uitM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=Slj6NI57; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="Slj6NI57" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71BA7C4CEF0; Tue, 12 Aug 2025 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1755012483; bh=bwweifuRwPP6zZ+btXLbS898SRE61CJJUKHBDsu2omc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Reply-To:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=Slj6NI57b6z4nHgOmDMqFnDiGOhCSKCmk9HHHlUyYqSQ+QM3XBCyYHV31eErgvP8v u75FYRgO6xuv15XjsG4X7W/YKZLxRKQgj4SKgkTVb5hzTfQuf46a6dkDwMQE2NT8fY zMCiv2cNWLfOxRFvxaewnhVH2E3gCTA+hzuEHjfhnwA+LiY5iVOU4uV/cop5SPMH0z lk1kJC0AZbsa4JWnhddJSTRYMdchbgQekrRyUXbkK6utWO5NHHQQ/iXES4amnhReVp ZWeijPOVEUhUlH7lt3GiZe2FPAc7yeoPf0t9wI95pQw40OXvl3nqBwO8wqGJZE+3i4 UsJETnBC5kZZQ== Received: by paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1BDF5CE0AB1; Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:28:03 -0700 From: "Paul E. McKenney" To: Sasha Levin Cc: Steven Rostedt , Lorenzo Stoakes , Dan Carpenter , Julia Lawall , "H. Peter Anvin" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The role of AI and LLMs in the kernel process Message-ID: <49f1a974-e1e6-4be5-864e-5e0f905e1a8f@paulmck-laptop> Reply-To: paulmck@kernel.org References: <37BCAD5A-07C4-4119-89C2-D3A45C24DE18@zytor.com> <20250812103710.5faf83fc@gandalf.local.home> <3023b60f-69cf-4d77-b57e-c294d646daa7@paulmck-laptop> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 11:25:49AM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 08:24:11AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 11:02:50AM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 10:37:10AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > > > One thing I look forward to with AI is that it will likely help me debug my > > > > own code. I suspect it would be really good at reading my code and say > > > > "Hey Stupid! You forgot to free this value over here". And things like that. > > > > In other words, I trust AI to debug my code more than I can debug its code. > > > > > > I'm surprised that this isn't too common of a practice at this point. > > > Sure, AI will make mistakes, but I think that: > > > > > > 1. It's much better at reviewing rather than writing. > > > 2. Mistakes aren't critical (you'd review it yourself anyway). > > > 3. No legal issues. > > > > Ahem. Please do us all a favor, yourself included, and go count the > > number of lawsuits currently in flight on this topic. > > For using AI for review, where it doesn't generate any code? I'd love a > reference please :) Code is not the only thing that is subject to copyright. But please don't take my word for it, go ask Napster. Thanx, Paul