From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B69558FF for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.nue.novell.com (smtp.nue.novell.com [195.135.221.5]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAC222C3 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:18:40 +0000 (UTC) To: Jan Kara , Jani Nikula References: <1537830902.4935.1.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <87k1n8vjef.fsf@intel.com> <20180926091951.GB30730@quack2.suse.cz> From: Hannes Reinecke Message-ID: <44f5df3c-601e-11c0-95cc-05a80c503ced@suse.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:58:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180926091951.GB30730@quack2.suse.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: olof@lxom.net, Greg Kroah-Hartman , James Bottomley , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH-TOPIC] Review - Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 9/26/18 11:19 AM, Jan Kara wrote: > On Wed 26-09-18 09:54:00, Jani Nikula wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Joe Perches wrote: >>> On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 16:15 -0700, James Bottomley wrote: >>>> as a maintainer, I'm happy to try to police >>>> civility by calling adverse behaviours out on the list >>> >>> Good for you, but that's not necessarily something others >>> might want to do. Nor should have to. >> >> I think the only way any code of conduct is ever going to work is >> top-down, with maintainers leading by example, both in terms of >> following and enforcing the CoC. It's not going to work bottom-up, nor >> with everyone always involving the TAB directly. For the most part, it's >> just a matter of explicitly asking people to be civil anyway. >> >> This may well be the biggest reason the "code of conlict" did not >> succeed, despite the large number of acks. > > One thing I'm missing: Did "code of conflict" really fail? I find the areas > which I follow (filesystems and surroundings) pretty civil but so they were > even before "code of conflict"... So maybe I miss some events? > I can only agree here. So far I haven't had any evidence of a massive breakdown of civility, and in fact nothing which would warrant extra steps. Plus it would really help to figure out which _specific_ problem the CoC is actually trying to solve; this would help to focus the entire discussion. Cheers, Hannes -- Dr. Hannes Reinecke zSeries & Storage hare@suse.com +49 911 74053 688 SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg GF: F. Imendörffer, J. Smithard, D. Upmanyu, G. Norton HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)