From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13555F0C for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92B447CE for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:08:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Laurent Pinchart To: Daniel Vetter Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:08:43 +0300 Message-ID: <4485753.QfrrHSnrUr@avalon> In-Reply-To: References: <20180910174638.26fff182@vmware.local.home> <6032585.bO9iOMYsh1@avalon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: James Bottomley , ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Bug-introducing patches List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Daniel, On Thursday, 20 September 2018 14:00:47 EEST Daniel Vetter wrote: > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > On Thursday, 20 September 2018 12:02:33 EEST Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > >> Honestly, do we have any research data on how many people actually are > >> put off by the "unfriendly" e-mail use for patch review requirement or is > >> it just pure speculation? > > > > I believe Daniel has more information. > > I think 2 people left the drm/i915 team (and kernel development at > large) explicitly because of our archaic toolchain. A pile more left, > where the archaic toolchain at least motivated a switch in > teams/projects. No solid data yet on what happens when we'd enable > merge request, but some of the engineers (who never contributed to the > kernel before) I've chatted with are absolutely raving about the mere > possibility even if very small&distant. Have you asked them for precise points that bother them (up to the point they wouldn't contribute) in the existing process ? > This might be biased towards coporate teams, since I have no data on the > people who might join as volunteers or from random places - I only know this > because they all worked for Intel. Thank you for providing a bit of data. > Also, no data ofc about how many we might lose if we force a merge > request flow instead of patches scribbled on chalk boards :-) Is that the opposite of the patches through instagram workflow ? :-) The answer obviously depends on what new process we would put in place. There's a wide range of options between enabling pull requests through git pull and forcing the whole review and merge process through gerrit. In the latter case you'd lose me :-) > And a good middle ground should be achievable, giving us everyone. I believe so as well, if we manage to reach a sensible consensus. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart