Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Pulling away from the tracing ABI quicksands

[Josef Bacik <jbacik@fb.com>]

Do we want to talk about ABI at the micro conference?  Facebook uses tracing everywhere in production so I can talk about it from both a user and maintainer standpoint.  Thanks,

Josef

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> On Jul 23, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> 
> Actually, Brendan Gregg got enough proposals together and there will be a tracing MC at Plumbers this year.
> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 
>> On July 21, 2017 5:45:57 PM EDT, Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> ----- On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:10 PM, rostedt rostedt@goodmis.org wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:37:59 +0000
>>> Josef Bacik <jbacik@fb.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [ I forgot to add Tom to the Cc list. Sending again. ]
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:29:56 -0400
>>>> Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:24:12 +0000
>>>>> Josef Bacik <jbacik@fb.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yup I’ll start bugging people to submit talk proposals, starting
>> with you!  I’ll
>>>>>> put up my proposal in the next day or two, I think Brendan has
>> something he’s
>>>>>> going to talk about.  Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I shouldn't have used the term "talk", as it really is all about
>>>>> discussions. In fact, if you need more than one slide, you have
>> too
>>>>> many.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That said, I could probably come up with a few things, starting
>> with
>>>>> this trace event issue. But it will be pointless if Peter Zijlstra
>> and
>>>>> Mathieu are not there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But having ideas about dynamic fields in tracepoints is always
>>>>> interesting. Not to mention talking about Tom Zanussi's latest
>>>>> histogram work. It may be pretty much completed, but I would like
>> to
>>>>> discuss where we go from there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One last thing. I don't want to have too many responsibilities, as
>> I'm
>>>>> on the LPC program committee and I need to make sure I have time
>> to
>>>>> fulfill any action items I'm responsible for during the
>> conference.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah plumbers is a weird venue for tracing, I always hope that we
>> are
>>>> going to have people like Brendan or other sysadmin-y people show up
>>>> and say “this is what sucks about tracing, please fix it”, and then
>>>> we can go fix it.  It doesn’t really seem to happen that way tho,
>> and
>>>> for things like tracing ABI there just aren’t the right people in
>> the
>>>> room to have that kind of discussion.  My proposal was just going to
>>>> be a laundry list of things that would make my life easier, but it
>>>> doesn’t really warrant a full micro-conference to listen to me bitch
>>>> for an hour.  If it turns out nobody else has much to talk about
>> then
>>>> we can just declare tracing is feature complete and we can talk
>> about
>>>> something else ;).  Thanks,
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> At this rate, I'm guessing that Tracing is not going to be on the
>>> Plumbers' agenda.
>> 
>> Since the Kernel Summit and Plumbers do not seem like a good fit to
>> have
>> discussions involving both tracing end users and developers, we have
>> adapted the Tracing Summit schedule to have half day of the usual
>> presentations, and half day dedicated to such discussions. Steven has
>> volunteered to run the discussion part.
>> 
>> The Tracing Summit will take place on October 27th in Prague, on the
>> Friday right after Kernel Summit.
>> 
>> So if you have tracing topics that you would like to discuss at this
>> event, the CFP/CFD and all the information are available here:
>> 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tracingsummit.org_wiki_TracingSummit2017&d=DwIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=sDzg6MvHymKOUgI8SFIm4Q&m=i0WUwxGtMNqWf0sUfcJGu8mjy4EmALhzGj4FSSAj_10&s=uSqVNCjkvfgDy8m4bV0fRhLxXZzd2b5MOnzIs5uAugM&e= 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mathieu
> 
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