From: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 16:04:39 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3xf3f4b3vegssexoid746y7isuswwsgmac5hy2hm4ipisdcxaf@nbi67byycwj5> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <711d9e37-6fe7-4783-8ac4-5269279bb9fe@kernel.dk>
* Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> [260108 15:54]:
> On 1/8/26 12:23 PM, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> >> @@ -95,3 +95,8 @@ choose how they handle the contribution. For example, they might:
> >> - Ask the submitter to explain in more detail about the contribution
> >> so that the maintainer can feel comfortable that the submitter fully
> >> understands how the code works.
> >> +
> >> +Finally, always be prepared for tooling that produces incorrect or
> >> +inappropriate content. Make sure you understand and to be able to
> >> +defend everything you submit. If you are unable to do so, maintainers
> >> +may choose to reject your series outright.
> >>
> >
> > I feel like this formulation waters it down so much as to lose the emphasis
> > which was the entire point of it.
> >
> > I'm also not sure why we're losing the scrutiny part?
> >
> > Something like:
> >
> > +If tools permit you to generate series entirely automatically, expect
> > +additional scrutiny.
> > +
> > +As with the output of any tooling, the result maybe incorrect or
> > +inappropriate, so you are expected to understand and to be able to defend
> > +everything you submit. If you are unable to do so, maintainers may choose
> > +to reject your series outright.
>
> Eh, why not some variant of:
>
> "If you are unable to do so, then don't submit the resulting changes."
>
> Talking only for myself, I have ZERO interest in receiving code from
> someone that doesn't even understand what it does. And it'd be better to
> NOT waste my or anyone elses time if that's the level of the submission.
Yes, agreed.
If I cannot understand it and the author is clueless about the patch,
then I'm going to be way more grumpy than the wording of that statement.
I'd assume the submitter would just get the ai to answer it anyways
since that's fitting with the level of the submission.
Thanks,
Liam
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-08 21:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-06 20:51 Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-07 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 19:18 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 21:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 21:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 11:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 18:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 22:39 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 23:50 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-08 10:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:43 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 11:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-08 10:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:20 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 10:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:17 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 13:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 15:58 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 16:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:10 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:50 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 20:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 5:42 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 7:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 7:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 11:00 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 11:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-12 15:06 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 18:34 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 19:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 20:45 ` Jens Axboe
2026-01-08 21:04 ` Liam R. Howlett [this message]
2026-01-09 5:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 7:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 8:54 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-01-09 15:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:33 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-10 15:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-01-10 15:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-10 16:02 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-10 16:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12 19:02 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-08 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:48 ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-08 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 16:42 ` Sasha Levin
2026-01-08 17:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:27 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 19:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:30 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-09 16:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:16 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <42192F04-2C46-4734-8CF6-DEA8739989C3@hohndel.org>
2026-01-08 10:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:41 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-01-08 13:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:00 ` SeongJae Park
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-14 18:35 Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:08 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-11-14 22:52 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:17 ` SeongJae Park
2025-11-14 22:53 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 23:19 ` dan.j.williams
2025-11-15 15:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-15 19:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 23:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-16 12:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-11-16 15:25 ` Kees Cook
2025-11-16 16:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 16:55 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-12-23 17:10 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-23 20:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-24 15:41 ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-24 16:23 ` Simon Glass
2025-11-16 16:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-17 19:13 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-15 19:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 20:10 ` Randy Dunlap
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