From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 771D7F65 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com (mail-pf1-f170.google.com [209.85.210.170]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83976102 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id k19-v6so1050229pfi.1 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Guenter Roeck To: James Bottomley , Geert Uytterhoeven References: <20180910174638.26fff182@vmware.local.home> <20180910230301.GB1764@localhost.localdomain> <20180910191329.70f90a14@vmware.local.home> <20180911114227.241f2e5d@vmware.local.home> <20180911174043.GK5659@atomide.com> <1536688022.3511.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180911143923.11e479ea@vmware.local.home> <1536696572.3511.12.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180911163136.1d6653a6@vmware.local.home> <1536706409.3511.14.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180911232249.GL5659@atomide.com> <1536708545.3511.18.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1536755770.3506.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: Guenter Roeck Message-ID: <3e6baddf-3e62-f6fe-4bbf-1a62694d4c96@roeck-us.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:38:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1536755770.3506.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Bug-introducing patches List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 09/12/2018 05:36 AM, James Bottomley wrote: > > Look, shit happens occasionally. What then happens is that you get a > note from Stephen saying your tree is dropped for a day for crapping on > the carpet and you fix it. -next still builds without you so I don't > get what all the fuss is about. From my point of view the -next > process works very well and I don't see a need to complicate it with a > -next-next or a -pre-next or whatever. > Not sure if I agree with the "works very well" part. I would say it works, for the most part, decently well, and we would be in a much worse situation without it. I would hope for code in -next to be tested a bit better, and problems to be fixed faster, but one can not have everything. However, I definitely agree that we don't need -next-next or -pre-next. That would not improve the situation at all; it would just create even more noise and result in people testing their code even less before publishing it. Guenter