From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F0FF3C2A; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 17:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omf14.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1314017F; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: joe@perches.com) by omf14.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 68E6D30; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <3381c74ad6862224e4511d7edf6f9681c678338b.camel@perches.com> Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" From: Joe Perches To: Geert Uytterhoeven , "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: Theodore Ts'o , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH , Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:32:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <9a2fdff8-d0d3-ebba-d344-3c1016237fe5@gmx.com> <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.44.4 (3.44.4-2.fc36) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 68E6D30 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.10 X-Stat-Signature: a97umkgmcu7bz1ysp1mcojeuu4sn3k5p X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout07 X-Session-Marker: 6A6F6540706572636865732E636F6D X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX19vyxgtCVdDxa+BZU8gKI+mwpCueLiRhWM= X-HE-Tag: 1664728341-897937 On Sun, 2022-10-02 at 18:08 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 2:49 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > > The current ill-maintained semi-functional bugzilla has proven to be a > > ton more useful than random mailing lists no sane person can keep track > > of. Bug "reports", i.e. random emails are neglected and forgotten. LKML > > is the worst of them probably. >=20 > Such a statement really needs to be backed by numbers... >=20 > > Let's operate with some examples: > >=20 > > Bugzilla gets around two dozen bug reports weekly which encompass at > > most thirty emails, which equals to four emails daily on average. >=20 > This immediately debunks your statement above. true. > $ git log v5.19..linus/master | grep Fixes: | wc -l > 2928 >=20 > So that's 46 bugs fixed per _day_. But not really. Many, perhaps even most, of these "Fixes:" are for code introduced in -rc releases and so are a typical part of a development cycle and are not for fixes in nominally released/final versions.