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User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <66b2ba7150128_c1448294fe@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> References: <668c67a324609_ed99294c0@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> <20240726142731.GG28621@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <66a43c48cb6cc_200582942d@dwillia2-mobl3.amr.corp.intel.com.notmuch> <20240728111826.GA30973@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <2024072802-amendable-unwatched-e656@gregkh> <2b4f6ef3fc8e9babf3398ed4a301c2e4964b9e4a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <2024072909-stopwatch-quartet-b65c@gregkh> <206bf94bb2eb7ca701ffff0d9d45e27a8b8caed3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20240801144149.GO3371438@nvidia.com> <66b2ba7150128_c1448294fe@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> Message-ID: <328C1186-268E-49E9-A31C-40BFF9554C49@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On August 6, 2024 8:06:09 PM EDT, Dan Williams wrote: >Jason Gunthorpe wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 08:33:36AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: >>=20 >> > For the specific issue of discussing fwctl, the Plumbers session woul= d >> > be better because it can likely gather all interested parties=2E >>=20 >> Keep in mind fwctl is already at the end of a long journey of >> conference discussions and talks spanning 3 years back now=2E It now >> represents the generalized consensus between multiple driver >> maintainers for at least one side of the debate=2E >>=20 >> There was also a fwctl presentation at netdev conf a few weeks ago=2E >>=20 >> In as far as the cross-subsystem NAK, I don't expect more discussion >> to result in any change to people's opinions=2E RDMA side will continue >> to want access to the shared device FW, and netdev side will continue >> to want to deny access to the shared device FW=2E > >As I mentioned before, this is what I hoped to mediate=2E The on-list >discussion has seem to hit a deficit of trust roadblock, not a deficit >of technical merit=2E > >All I can say is the discussion is worth a try=2E With respect to a >precedent for a stalemate moving forward, I point to the MGLRU example=2E >That proposal had all of the technical merit on the list, but was not >making any clear progress to being merged=2E It was interesting to watch >that all thaw in real time at LSF/MM (2022) where in person >collaboration yielded strategy concessions, and mutual understanding >that email was never going to produce=2E Well, plumbers stands ready=2E We're out of A/V rooms, but if you can do = your own A/V with one of the owl cameras we can do a BoF session that can b= e open to remote participants as well=2E I'll be happy to do the setup=2E Regards, James --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E