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[199.106.103.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a92af1059eb24-11f392500cdsm38939382c88.7.2025.12.16.12.33.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Dec 2025 12:33:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2ffa25e5-ef7c-4285-925c-3f698089bf28@oss.qualcomm.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2025 12:33:16 -0800 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: kernel.org tooling update To: Lukas Wunner , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Bjorn Helgaas Cc: users@kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev References: <20251209-roaring-hidden-alligator-068eea@lemur> From: Jeff Johnson Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details-Enc: AW1haW4tMjUxMjE2MDE3MyBTYWx0ZWRfX0k9CXamDg+gT Kp72MziKx27tuHOpBAm/xiLuxmKGxmqYAs6/p/k9nMMst7Rzcwsw6PSyZ90/7mmK7F/0BPJYcPz +GgkBP8RAfPvun66Rk8/REJ8iDFgzfItusSQuz92XsZ38MAo0P5nc5ieI4xepzGMMZIV18XgXd3 BJNIZeSN72Rbmhcagj65hhQyOHZFeqdvFyzzGPIgZvxr8mLyyqi9NKihJsT5ocfy72Gmethxnsq wg7DUcmQ2bmqGkiU2eivA7sdYI81aBEKKdMdTci6yTly3kuM9or5yiUhEDpj50Amcfaec3uie41 VUu4k7hHHc34tBnhepWXQHfaj2LHu9EphTZH7KILd5d4TELooLzl1ANnVFIcZ5JbN7q0fJZBs4D DPwVVN5Wf4vEau8TE22AGNGEL8LPEQ== X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: Rj-bN0ZFClryVN7a3rnF4yWia0nCNHYD X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=IbKKmGqa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6941c211 cx=c_pps a=0uOsjrqzRL749jD1oC5vDA==:117 a=JYp8KDb2vCoCEuGobkYCKw==:17 a=VwQbUJbxAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wP3pNCr1ah4A:10 a=s4-Qcg_JpJYA:10 a=VkNPw1HP01LnGYTKEx00:22 a=NoIK8aywfEdJV_qt31MA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=VkQg4iviJnsA:10 a=eNH5niYpQkIA:10 a=mQ_c8vxmzFEMiUWkPHU9:22 X-Proofpoint-GUID: Rj-bN0ZFClryVN7a3rnF4yWia0nCNHYD X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1121,Hydra:6.1.9,FMLib:17.12.100.49 definitions=2025-12-16_02,2025-12-16_04,2025-10-01_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 bulkscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=typeunknown authscore=0 authtc= authcc= route=outbound adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2510240001 definitions=main-2512160173 On 12/16/2025 8:21 AM, Lukas Wunner wrote: > [cc += Bjorn, start of thread is here: > https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/20251209-roaring-hidden-alligator-068eea@lemur/ > ] > > On Tue, Dec 09, 2025 at 11:48:24PM -0500, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: >> ### Bugzilla >> >> It may be time to kill bugzilla: >> >> - despite periodic "we're not dead yet" emails, it doesn't appear very >> active >> - the upgrade path to 6.0 is broken for us due to bugzilla abandoning the >> 5.2 development branch and continuing with 5.1 >> - question remains with what to replace bugzilla, but it's a longer >> discussion topic that I don't want to raise here; it may be a job for >> the bugspray bot that can extend the two-way bridge functionality to >> multiple bug tracker frameworks > > The PCI subsystem relies heavily on bugzilla to track issues, > collect dmesg/lspci output from reporters and furnish them with > debug or test patches. > > The SOP when issues are reported on the mailing list without > sufficient information is to ask the reporter to open a bugzilla > issue and attach full dmesg and lspci -vvv output for analysis. > > If bugzilla is deprecated, we'll need at least a way to exchange > files with reporters. Preferably on kernel.org infrastructure > to be independent from 3rd parties. A way to communicate with > reporters outside the mailing list is also useful to prevent > spamming linux-pci@vger.kernel.org with messages relevant only > to a single issue or system. > > All the information now recorded in bugzilla should continue > to be available indefinitely so that Link: tags in commits > continue to work. It's not uncommon to have to dig in old > bugzilla entries in order to understand the motivation for > a particular code section that was introduced years earlier. At least some of the wireless maintainers also use bugzilla. The ath11k & ath12k drivers have guidance in the wireless wiki: https://wireless.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/en/users/drivers/ath11k/bugreport.html https://wireless.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/en/users/drivers/ath12k/bugreport.html So we would also want this or a similar service to be maintained. /jeff