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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 11/09/2025 13:04, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > Hi, > > > I have noticed at least a few cases where sub-maintainers collect > patches, but their trees are not included linux-next. Or their patches > are not fed to linux-next. > > I don’t see a good reason to keep valid, proper patches - collected by > trusted sub-maintainers and intended for upstream submission - out of > linux-next. If a sub-maintainer is trusted in collecting patches and > sending them to the upstream maintainer, these commits should be visible > in the linux-next. > > I have occasionally asked sub-maintainers to add their trees to the > linux-next, and sometimes this worked. In other cases it could not work > for various reasons, e.g. workflow of the upstream maintainer or > reluctance to share commits early. These reasons are what I would like > to discuss and, hopefully, improve. > > > Why is that a problem? > ====================== > Patch was reviewed on the list day X and applied by the sub-maintainer. https://lwn.net/Articles/1050027/ I am very happy that the topic proposal I submitted in September for this maintainer's summit got some traction and lead to actual discussion. Nice to know that this was an useful email/proposal and that the problem is important enough to discuss it. Best regards, Krzysztof