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From: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de>
To: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Ventura Jack <venturajack85@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	airlied@gmail.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	david.laight.linux@gmail.com, ej@inai.de,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, hch@infradead.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: C aggregate passing (Rust kernel policy)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 12:38:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2d553652-18f8-472d-bdd0-664164d10a11@ralfj.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANiq72k-K3-Cbnm=0556sXAWs0kXBCB4oR67M4UtD=fq=kyp7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

>> Hmm, I wonder if this is the reason of the persistent hostility that I
>> keep hearing about in the Rust community against alternate
>> implementations of the Rust compiler, such as the one being developed
>> using the GCC backend.  *Since* the aliasing model hasn't been
> 
> I guess you are referring to gccrs, i.e. the new GCC frontend
> developed within GCC (the other one, which is a backend,
> rustc_codegen_gcc, is part of the Rust project, so no hostility there
> I assume).
> 
> In any case, yes, there are some people out there that may not agree
> with the benefits/costs of implementing a new frontend in, say, GCC.
> But that does not imply everyone is hostile. In fact, as far as I
> understand, both Rust and gccrs are working together, e.g. see this
> recent blog post:
> 
>      https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/11/07/gccrs-an-alternative-compiler-for-rust.html

Indeed I want to push back hard against the claim that the Rust community as a 
whole is "hostile" towards gcc-rs. There are a lot of people that do not share 
the opinion that an independent implementation is needed, and there is some (IMO 
justified) concern about the downsides of an independent implementation (mostly 
concerning the risk of a language split / ecosystem fragmentation). However, the 
gcc-rs folks have consistently stated that they are aware of this and intend 
gcc-rs to be fully compatible with rustc by not providing any custom language 
extensions / flags that could split the ecosystem, which has resolved all those 
concerns at least as far as I am concerned. :)

Kind regards,
Ralf


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-26 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-22 10:06 Ventura Jack
2025-02-22 14:15 ` Gary Guo
2025-02-22 15:03   ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-22 18:54     ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 19:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 20:00         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 20:54           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-22 21:22             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 21:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 22:34                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 23:56                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-22 22:12               ` David Laight
2025-02-22 22:46                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 23:50               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-23  0:06                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 21:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-23 15:30         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-23 16:28           ` David Laight
2025-02-24  0:27           ` Gary Guo
2025-02-24  9:57             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 10:31               ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 12:21                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 12:47                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 16:57                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 22:03                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 23:04                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 22:38                           ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-25 22:47                             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-25 23:03                               ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 12:58           ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-24 14:47             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 14:54               ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 16:42                 ` Philip Herron
2025-02-25 15:55                   ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 17:30                     ` Arthur Cohen
2025-02-26 11:38               ` Ralf Jung [this message]
2025-02-24 15:43             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 17:24               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 16:12           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-25 17:21             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 17:36               ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-25 18:16                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 20:21                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 20:37                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-26 13:03                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 13:53                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 14:07                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 14:26                         ` James Bottomley
2025-02-26 14:37                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 14:39                           ` Greg KH
2025-02-26 14:45                             ` James Bottomley
2025-02-26 16:00                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 16:42                                 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-26 16:47                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 16:57                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 17:41                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 17:47                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 22:07                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-02 12:19                                           ` David Laight
2025-02-26 17:11                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 17:42                             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 12:36                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 13:52                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 15:21                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 16:06                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 17:49                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 18:36                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 14:14                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 15:40                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 16:10                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 16:50                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 21:39                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 15:11                             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 15:32                               ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-25 18:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 19:47               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 20:55                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 21:24                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 23:34                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 11:57                         ` Gary Guo
2025-02-27 14:43                           ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 14:26                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 22:45                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26  0:05                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-25 22:42                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 14:01                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 13:54               ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 17:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 19:01                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-26 20:00                   ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-26 21:14                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 21:21                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 22:54                         ` David Laight
2025-02-27  0:35                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-26 21:26                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 21:37                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 21:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 21:56                           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 22:13                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 22:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 22:35                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 23:18                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 23:28                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-27  0:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27 20:47                                   ` David Laight
2025-02-27 21:33                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-28 21:29                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 21:41                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 22:20                                       ` David Laight
2025-02-27 22:40                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-28  7:44                                     ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-28 15:41                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28 15:46                                         ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-28 16:04                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28 16:13                                             ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-28 16:21                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28 16:40                                                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-04 18:12                                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 22:27                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 23:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27  0:17                           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27  0:26                           ` comex
2025-02-27 18:33                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 19:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27 19:55                               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27 20:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-28  7:53                               ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-06 19:16                           ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27  4:18                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-27  5:52                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27  6:56                           ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-27 14:29                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-27 17:35                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 18:13                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27 19:10                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 18:00                           ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 18:44                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 14:21                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 15:27                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-28  8:08                     ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-28  8:32                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-26 20:25                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 20:34                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-02-26 22:45                   ` David Laight
2025-02-22 19:41       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-22 20:49         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 11:34           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 14:57             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 16:32               ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 18:09                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 22:28                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 23:08                     ` David Laight
2025-02-27 13:55                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 17:33                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 17:58                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 19:06                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 19:45                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 20:22                             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27 22:18                               ` David Laight
2025-02-27 23:18                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28  7:38                                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-28 20:48                                   ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-28 20:41                             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-28 22:13                               ` Geoffrey Thomas
2025-03-01 14:19                                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-03-04 18:24                               ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-06 18:49                                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 17:58                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-27 19:25                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 19:07                 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-26 19:23                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 20:22                     ` Martin Uecker
     [not found] <CAFJgqgRZ1w0ONj2wbcczx2=boXYHoLOd=-ke7tHGBAcifSfPUw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-02-25 15:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 16:45   ` Ventura Jack
     [not found] <CANiq72m-R0tOakf=j7BZ78jDHdy=9-fvZbAT8j91Je2Bxy0sFg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-02-18 16:08 ` Rust kernel policy Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-18 18:46   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-18 21:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-18 22:54       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19  0:58         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-19  3:04           ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19  5:39             ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 12:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 12:37                 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 13:23                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 15:17                     ` C aggregate passing (Rust kernel policy) Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 16:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-20 20:34                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-21  8:31                       ` HUANG Zhaobin
2025-02-21 18:34                       ` David Laight
2025-02-21 19:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 20:07                           ` comex
2025-02-21 21:45                           ` David Laight
2025-02-22  6:32                             ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22  6:37                               ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22  8:41                                 ` David Laight
2025-02-22  9:11                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-21 20:06                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-21 20:23                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 20:24                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 22:02                             ` David Laight
2025-02-21 22:13                               ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-22  5:56                                 ` comex
2025-02-21 20:26                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 22:19                             ` henrychurchill
2025-02-21 22:52                             ` henrychurchill

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