From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FF18B5F for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg1-f193.google.com (mail-pg1-f193.google.com [209.85.215.193]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1494B773 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg1-f193.google.com with SMTP id 23-v6so3226974pgc.8 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) To: esr@thyrsus.com, Josh Triplett , Geert Uytterhoeven , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20181007085102.17795-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181010221611.GA5711@localhost> <20181010223319.GA31256@thyrsus.com> From: Frank Rowand Message-ID: <22aae042-5ef3-20df-6960-fc8ae3cd5506@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:35:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181010223319.GA31256@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 10/10/18 15:33, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Josh Triplett : >>> The words removed by this patch are a political statement. >> >> Choosing not to say those words is a political statement. > > The situation is not symmetrical. Choosing the protected classes > in the CoC is a *change* in its implied politics. > > It's a change that is, obviously from LKML traffic, very contentious. > If this were a tpurely technical matter, it would be described as > not backwards-compatible. > > It's a change that, I submit, should not have been made without a clear > consensus *in favor* of the change. > > Our culture has a process for this. It's called RFCs. If we want to > designate protected classes to be called out in conductt guidelines, > an RFC should be floated first and the change should be made only > if rough consensus has been achieved. > Thank you for stating that clearly and concisely Eric. I will bow out of further discussion on this specific point as I have already seen this concept discussed on many threads already in recent weeks. -Frank