From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD757311C17 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2026 16:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1769186320; cv=none; b=rA53IbEpw+/PlrtrdHaYAwf0nKKlvMT5eOA3At5EnZ/Od04ov31tocwc8p6EP+D8mT2FH5j6r34lFxQloFTf8bVLXA6PxErl8OiUY0yfn5DGdW9X05Ec/hSS0OWlsg6lxzkLgQLcOFzQlkFvyggWYj5mnxC8t9jeT4V5OlTBlIQ= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1769186320; c=relaxed/simple; bh=LmBD8TKxRTYEQbBoCVChtksxfjK5Mk5AZu6YUjl6Z64=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=FeAtjzK4EaajLyhMQLQAIHsAUNcEeIWw719KnIUfSrW7q+RoK+vimsA4rSRwZOdnof45lnc2NKi42DSRslOtTQL+M4rvvhzc1i979cMfltuiwpNiToH1hInaK+nW6bWCX2wkwiFnU3NVh6FEoG9o1qnYptiOrjynUREXFDxCeis= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=irJWg1Gl; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="irJWg1Gl" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D8A8C4CEF1; Fri, 23 Jan 2026 16:38:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1769186320; bh=LmBD8TKxRTYEQbBoCVChtksxfjK5Mk5AZu6YUjl6Z64=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=irJWg1GlwfqHmrj2ZJ7v/jktfzrqCEIeQGZRvAFwqOi4+uVmnGLmoRBfKKHExFjoK poy97xHDXA6PKuznoSdxN1f1ev58k6jOP2uqPC3ll2h/nd8bFcH2Mrzc92UD+FqOT+ AhVq79+r/jhXNzt1DxYCP9C+dJH9XnZ+XGiPyu2Zm6+wU9nuDNCNrHoTfx1hMRcimM tmqNW6MeBvVeI84ARJQmr/GZb4ZsiszcHuPoL+e6IOcpB0qeSpODu0NgGmvP8ezjM3 hRvsqSrkI1NKyoJPEth1v8+uqX+uYDeSCy69ZHfI71HU1I37yn/YmkpflnamBXnxXy HHNqoYu3ut1Hw== Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 11:38:39 -0500 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: James Bottomley Cc: Greg KH , Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?= , users@kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: Web of Trust work [Was: kernel.org tooling update] Message-ID: <20260123-hallowed-catfish-of-pizza-bde94f@lemur> References: <20251209-roaring-hidden-alligator-068eea@lemur> <6e0c8c00-4efe-432a-92e8-c51aa15b4a34@kernel.org> <2026012340-cannot-spud-5d46@gregkh> <806a695eff99bd2eba935d0d5ada29cc29b31818.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <806a695eff99bd2eba935d0d5ada29cc29b31818.camel@HansenPartnership.com> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 11:24:33AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > > There will be a presentation about this in February at a conference > > and hopefully it will be made public then as the work is still > > ongoing. > > Could you please stop doing this? The Open Source norm is to release > early and often and long before you have stable code so you get > feedback incorporated *before* you're committed to something. I will provide this feedback to them when we meet in a week. It's not the LF itself who are writing this code, but a bunch of security devs funded by OpenSSF and they *are* closely working with me and Greg during the initial iteration to make sure that what they come up with is actually going to be suitable and well-received by the kernel community (like, don't write it in nodejs or something). So, I'd say we're doing it right -- write the initial tool based on the requirements provided by some key users, then release the 0.1 for broader use and do iterative development based on feedback. -K