From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0012.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6458D2F4A19 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2026 20:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.12 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1767903256; cv=none; b=cSaIFhL3Ox+h7+HafjTbz4Y/PVolBAgkq2ElrW20MoYAIJ+3eLU4F8oNd9c3lZooX9wk5j7+QcXV/UXdhFLXrs/Wn10e4lE2RkOFFxqrQffFIwjXmSIqPKjB2dBKAvCD5qCGqh76kB6P+3o9BtMkj09G4KLY8obFsI9WfVLooAU= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1767903256; c=relaxed/simple; bh=LH386V7FaIqV6aHMZemYH1qApbj72s2v/YsgR21oReg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N3QVANAMj/9DieRtel/dCmd/0pA4JaCEB6PUhGusFv5Om5WpY3jhYCU7u9+wL1yv464mj+UqAPx0pQ2mIHQkCabwMKTlMRvsGDJrU5Ks7JJq7+7rIv4aRM+sRNUips3d/axJYWb65nncHbaC2jA8tBxP1N6fFZf5SiBkFKuWRzM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.12 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org Received: from omf16.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041B91602D0; Thu, 8 Jan 2026 20:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: rostedt@goodmis.org) by omf16.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CEF702000D; Thu, 8 Jan 2026 20:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 15:14:37 -0500 From: Steven Rostedt To: Dave Hansen Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes , Dave Hansen , James Bottomley , Dave Hansen , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan , Kees Cook , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Miguel Ojeda , Luis Chamberlain , SeongJae Park , Dan Williams , NeilBrown , Theodore Ts'o , Sasha Levin , Jonathan Corbet , Vlastimil Babka , workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content Message-ID: <20260108151437.3188cd53@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <5a301272-31ea-44b8-9518-8151edca6c06@sr71.net> References: <1e982055-47c2-43d1-a919-93b3e59f2ed0@lucifer.local> <93aadf2b-0df4-49eb-91fd-b401b44ce3af@sr71.net> <1c74353c-40de-4d0b-a517-92a94f8b4af8@lucifer.local> <6c71554c-4fa1-4b99-9d46-2f1a2ecc1b7f@intel.com> <611c4a95-cbf2-492c-a991-e54042cf226a@lucifer.local> <85614f7f-f217-47e5-a9f7-0a012f6e6ecd@lucifer.local> <6e9cab54-7b66-45e9-af96-e52b3eba1034@intel.com> <5a301272-31ea-44b8-9518-8151edca6c06@sr71.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.20.0git84 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Stat-Signature: x5irqtk4y8hyijucrnt6tzyik85hdnri X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout02 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CEF702000D X-Session-Marker: 726F737465647440676F6F646D69732E6F7267 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX18ufPkcd+jJv4j+a5wwSNyrjloH17g/cm0= X-HE-Tag: 1767903247-200859 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1+rl+pNmed49qk3jLZ7lXmBtHGwwmYU8J0fxMXNS8cZySDFLFB+hbhZLTDyALM71ttF8/0kscPoLPedfMFfXz7wluGyI55T5tl1eEcO4+wv/NthAuK7AtiqAQzGQ9y+DFi2CUX8XpjNvkkMCrJ4Snl65htSib4VZpVOoH9gL3bKWtCVo6UGbTQpakiP5n8uaoKGm7PTEokGz1sp2zg55OH5VMLO8KiiiG9vRJyodN0fnpYfgkeKAyW9c/4RPUxd4mXuA4XR5gsiq7rT2kb7rQix5C2nfxOYZfmZ//ewTBnmpBCPQ/xTwBIxbUn806u2A4m8X0xE9wwjUuzGxXhEnu1nx788OZVb/I0k5MSGCk5SNmzDUZuKOw4a On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:50:29 -0800 Dave Hansen wrote: > On 1/8/26 11:23, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: > > I'm also not sure why we're losing the scrutiny part? > > > > Something like: > > > > +If tools permit you to generate series entirely automatically, expect > > +additional scrutiny. > > The reason I resisted integrating this is it tries to draw too specific > a line in the sand. Someone could rightfully read that and say they > don't expect additional scrutiny because the entire series was not > automatically generated. > > What I want to say is: the more automation your tool provides, the more > scrutiny you get. Maybe: > > Expect increasing amounts of maintainer scrutiny on > contributions that were increasingly generated by tooling. Honestly that just sounds "grumpy" to me ;-) How about something like: All tooling is prone to make mistakes that differ from mistakes generated by humans. A maintainer may push back harder on submissions that were entirely or partially generated by tooling and expect the submitter to demonstrate that even the generated code was verified to be accurate. -- Steve