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[153.246.134.249]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-29ee9d38ae7sm65484845ad.35.2025.12.12.15.48.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 12 Dec 2025 15:48:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2025 08:48:27 +0900 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Thorsten Leemhuis Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev , users@kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Linux kernel regressions list Subject: Re: kernel.org tooling update Message-ID: <20251213084827.634cb60f@stephen-xps.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20251209-roaring-hidden-alligator-068eea@lemur> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 14:30:37 +0100 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > he update, much appreciated! > > On 12/10/25 05:48, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > > > ### Bugzilla > > > > It may be time to kill bugzilla: > > Thx for bringing this up, as I a few months ago again looked somewhat > closer at the state of how well our bugzilla is working for the core > kernel. I didn't post the analysis in the end, but to me it looked like > the state of things was round the same as it was three years ago -- when > it wasn't working well, which was among the reasons why we came close to > abandoning bugzilla for kernel bugs[1]. > > [1] for those that don't remember, see https://lwn.net/Articles/910740/ > and > https://lore.kernel.org/all/aa876027-1038-3e4a-b16a-c144f674c0b0@leemhuis.info/ > > > > > - despite periodic "we're not dead yet" emails, it doesn't appear very > > active > > - the upgrade path to 6.0 is broken for us due to bugzilla abandoning the > > 5.2 development branch and continuing with 5.1 > > - question remains with what to replace bugzilla, > > To me it looks like most subsystems don't care much or at all about > bugzilla.kernel.org. This made me wonder (and maybe you could gather > some opinions on this in Tokyo): > > * How many kernel subsystems have a strong interest in a bug tracking > solution at all[2]? And how many of those might be happy by using some > external issue tracker, like those in github (like Rust for Linux, > thesofproject, and a few others do), gitlab (either directly, like > apparmor, or self-hosted, like the DRM subsystem)? > > * Does the kernel as a whole need a bug tracking solution at all to > receive reports? We for now require email for patches, so why not for > bugs as well, unless a subsystem really wants something (see above)? I am the default target for all networking bugzilla submissions. Would be very happy to just see bugzilla die. Right now, all I do is do a quick scan and respond to the junk submissions and forward the rest to the netdev mailing list with a note on the bug to go there in the future. Issue tracking is not in the workflow for the community.